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| | Manifest against the MSX Association |
| | Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 20:22 Submitted by: Latok Topic: MSX Revival | | People are devided about the MSX Revival. In a previous post we already mentioned the start of the 'Anti-MSX revival'. On www.msxall.com there is a manifest against the MSX Association.We kindly ask you to, from now on, give your opinion on the MSX revival in our forum and no longer on the frontpage. Please discuss it here |
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| By snout on January 04 2003, 23:51 | I'd like to state that this manifest is not supported by the entire MSX community, as the text might suggest.
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| By GuyveR800 on January 05 2003, 00:07 | I've never seen so much bullshit in my life. These guys oviously have no idea what they are talking about. And then they underwrite their page with "The MSX users' and developers' community"?! I hereby want to express my disgust for this so-called manifest.
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| By Bart on January 05 2003, 02:47 | I'd like to agree with Guyver on this one 100%. Thank you 
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| By msxall on January 05 2003, 08:43 | One important thing: this is not MY movement or MSX-ALL movement. We just offered space on our server and helped on the development of that document. But there are lots of persons who agree with the Manifest... More than disagree!
Although, this is not a WAR, its only a Manifest from people who wnat to be listened by the company who decides to back, or, maybe, be more infromed what they have been planning!
I have been using MSX for so long, since 1984. I did work in a important brazilian magazine called CPU-MSX and I was business man in a brazilian Marketing market. I saw the MSX starting, growing up and being death by the hands of companies like ASCII and others. I have good friends who works in companies like Microsoft, IBM, Sun and others, and one of these friends is called Mauro Muratorio Not, one of the big guys on the Microsft South America. Why do I have exposing you that? Just for one reason, I met Bill Gates personaly thanks him, almost two times, and I know what he and Nishi had planned that time for the MSX (they didn't wonder that MSX became to be what it is today).
So, try to connect this informations with other informations from other sources and pay attention in how ASCII have been working... Because this I really do not have good feeling about this NEW MSX. Probably they will create some chip based on the MSX technology and maybe (just maybe) they produce some machines from the japanese market. Think about: in the actual maket does not have available space for machines like MSX. Do you think that ASCII will create some "dream machine" to make us happy? Of course not! They have other inttentions!!! Other market to supply! But, all our work in cathalog and organize everything about MSX may be called "warez" in few time!
Everybody who have been suporting this movement do not care what ASCII will do with his property (MSX), but we want to keep using our MSX machines like we have been doing all this years, without any restriction.
We hould like to help too, but they do not care!
And, if they create something good, they will have our integral support, but, until now, we do not know nothing about nothing and for all this reasons we do not believe on the good intentions of ASCII and MSX Association.
Is ASCII back? They should thanks to us (you, me and everybody. All MSX users)!!!
By the way, of course we respect your opinions, but try to respect ours too. Bullshit is stay sited, clapping about something that probably will not be what you want!
Anyway, I hope that we are wrong and that we need to say "sorry" to ASCII and MSX Association in the future...
Best Regards
Julio Marchi
MSX-ALL Team Coordinator
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| By GuyveR800 on January 05 2003, 09:14 | Basically you are filthy pirates! You say it will become 'warez', but guess what? IT ALREADY IS! There is no such thing as 'abandonware', it's all just an excuse for piracy, because there is nothing legal about it! And you keep talking about what ASCII will do, but they are just publishing MSX Magazine! The new MSX has very little to do with ASCII. And neither them nor MSX Assoc. has copyright of games made by others. And how can you say more people agree than disagree to your so-called manifest? It is full of errors and wrong information, I doubt anyone with a decent IQ will support it... I think you should calm down and start understanding from the beginning.
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| By msxall on January 05 2003, 09:40 | I will NOT start a discussion with you about that. Reaction like yours shows that some conversation will be impossible. Sentences like: "I doubt anyone with a decent IQ will support it... " shows that you are arbitrary person. The BIGGEST VOICE! THE ONE! I really sorry for your words and your hard feelings about different opinions and free expression.
So, take a look at the following links and observe how many people does not have enough IQ: http://www.fixato.nl/msx-boards/viewthread.php?tid=477 and http://www.fixato.nl/msx-boards/forumdisplay.php?fid=64. I think YOU should calm down, try to be more polite and TRY to understand the manifest from the beginning. You do not need to agree or participate, but shows some respect for the others. Julio Marchi - MSX-ALL Team
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| By BiFi on January 05 2003, 10:43 | This is NOT the place to discuss your differences. Please discontinue your discussion in the reactions and continue it in our forum.
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| By snout on January 05 2003, 13:12 | msxall: if you read the article on Kazuhiko Nishi's lecture in Tilburg, 2001. You should already have know that Nishi has thanked the MSX users for continuing to use the system and he said he was very sorry to drop MSX. He said "In the early nineties, i dropped MSX. It was a mistake".
Also, it is not true that the MSX Association does not want to listen to you. There have been several attempts to get in touch with brazilian MSX hardware developers. So far, these developers did not seem to be very interested to help thinking on the one chip design. As BiFi suggested, this topic is moved to the forum. Lets continue over there.
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| By DarQ on January 05 2003, 13:15 | as we know. guyve and i are totally opposite. I feel that the manifesto describes my thoughts very well. And this does not mean (GUYVE) that i have a low IQ (Never expected u to say such).
The line, "The MSX users' and developers' community" is wrong imo.
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| By sander on January 05 2003, 14:31 | I do agree with bifi. You can't call people with a different opinion people with low IQ's.
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| By sander on January 05 2003, 14:44 | But I disagree with the statement that msxall represent most of the MSX community. I happen to know a lot of people, and most of them welcome any commercial project initiated bij ASCII and the MSX Assocation. Most people I know, aren't afraid this will affect the current scene.
If you are a business man, you know any company jumping on the MSX wagon right now whould do only the things that make money. I can understand the feelings of neglect however.
I wonder how the situation in Japan is. Does the MSX Association listen to the Japanese MSX userbase? If so, at least some user feedback goes into their projects.
If you don't expect anything to happen, like I did in the past 10 years, everything that does happen, is pure profit.
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| By GuyveR800 on January 05 2003, 15:52 | Geez.. I mention 'IQ' and everybody falls over it! Seems to be a tough subject for some people 
The full sentence was "It is full of errors and wrong information, I doubt anyone with a decent IQ will support it..." and that is a fact.
I do respect opinions different than mine, but this manifest is based on assumptions, misinformation and misunderstanding, it's written over-dramatically and fanatical. I will not discuss this any further. It sounds like a bad joke to me.
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| By Grauw on January 05 2003, 23:45 | "...this manifest is based on assumptions, misinformation and misunderstanding, it's written over-dramatically and fanatical." - I agree. See my thread in the forum: http://www.msx.org/^forumtopic598.html for more and discussion on it.
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| By KNM on January 06 2003, 11:00 | Extremism,Radical Thoghts and fundamentalism always SUCKED for me!! I´ve NEVER thought that this things would happen on MSX Scene.These people really NEVER LOVED the MSX,because they express their personal problems over a machine.And this machine hasn´t got to pay for that.the MSX has the possibility of overcome to more "sleeping" users around the world.Don´t waste it...
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