MSX1 palette

Ambassador_ (9408)

02-06-2011, 19:47

If, hypothetically, you could change two colors of the MSX1 video chip permanently, which two would you change, and what would they become?

Nothing serious, just the silly season.

Por PingPong

Prophet (2387)

02-06-2011, 20:37

a poll-like question?

By Google

Por hap

Paragon (1852)

02-06-2011, 20:46

I think you and many others want to remove color 13 for obvious silly reasons.
I'd definitely change color 6, make it dark brown. Then (can only pick two, right?) I'd either change color 10 to caucasian skin tone, or color 2 to.. I don't know, maybe dark gray.

Por hap

Paragon (1852)

02-06-2011, 20:49

I mean, look at how much color 6 looks like 8. =(
TMS9918: http://crap.tsk-tsk.net/bars_tms9918_composite.jpg
TMS9929: http://crap.tsk-tsk.net/bars_tms9929_composite.jpg
TMS9129: http://crap.tsk-tsk.net/bars_tms9129_composite.jpg
T6950 (the Toshiba clone): http://crap.tsk-tsk.net/bars_t6950_rf_50%25saturation.jpg

Por GhostwriterP

Champion (456)

02-06-2011, 20:57

Zero black into a darker purple?
Light yellow a little less gray and a little more skin like?

... difficult question it is.

Por wolf_

Ambassador_ (9408)

02-06-2011, 23:00

I would wipe the middle green (2) and middle red (8), and have a skin tone in return, and perhaps a darker grey (3,3,3) or a tree-brown.

Por Huey

Prophet (2365)

03-06-2011, 11:01

I'd like to change:

color 0 - Dark blue
color 11 - little darker.

Por hit9918

Paladin (870)

03-06-2011, 14:13

Magenta is useful as dark gray!

Convertors sometimes pick color 13 magenta as a dark gray.
Try magenta if you want a darker gray - it maybe only works to shade color 14 gray or color 15 white.

Por NYYRIKKI

Prophet (3034)

03-06-2011, 14:29

Hard one, but let's say:
1 - Dark gray
6 - Brown

Por hit9918

Paladin (870)

03-06-2011, 16:14

Try the below test app - because the effect happens on VGA too, it is not that some TV distortion was removed, but shows that the eyes were the limit: In test image 3, the differences can be spotted much better.

Isn't it a nice rainbow

So this is better for capture judgment (test 4 with horizontal bars is meant to see it with TV signal weakness removed). I turned down brightness on TV when I wanted color 6 to be brown. The rainbow testpattern is ideal to sort this out.

Try this: brightness down much, contrast up much, color down much:
It is less milky, a blue background more like the MSX2 version of the MSX1 palette.
Also it is more like C64, a setup for dark games. It makes a relatively nice brown.

10 color ,1,1 : screen 2 : open "grp:" as #1
11 restore 60
21 cls : for i = 0 to 255 step 16
22 read c
23 line (i,8)-(i+12,191),c,bf
24 next
25 draw"bm96,0" : ?#1,"PRESS A KEY"
26 a$ = inkey$ : if a$ = "" then 26
31 cls : for i = 0 to 255 step 16
32 read c
33 line (i,8)-(i+12,191),c,bf
34 next
35 draw"bm80,0" : ?#1,"PRESS KEY AGAIN"
36 a$ = inkey$ : if a$ = "" then 36
41 cls : for i = 0 to 255 step 16
42 read c
43 line (i,8)-(i+15,191),c,bf
44 next
45 draw"bm80,0" : ?#1,"PRESS KEY AGAIN"
46 a$ = inkey$ : if a$ = "" then 46
51 cls : for i = 0 to 255 step 16
52 read c
53 line (0,i*3/4)-(255,i*3/4+12),c,bf
54 next
55 draw"bm80,0" : ?#1,"PRESS KEY AGAIN"
56 a$ = inkey$ : if a$ = "" then 56
60 goto 11
160 data 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15
170 data 0,1,12,2,3,10,11,6,8,9,13,4,5,7,14,15
180 data 0,1,12,2,3,10,11,6,8,9,13,4,5,7,14,15
190 data 0,1,12,2,3,10,11,6,8,9,13,4,5,7,14,15

Por hap

Paragon (1852)

03-06-2011, 16:47

me? nah not gonna try, thanks anyway. Instead, I'll paste this link again to tease the wolf_
http://crap.tsk-tsk.net/toshibavdp_uumerci.jpg