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BUT 3D SUCKS!

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yeah, 3d is stupid!

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3D = 8)

Well... sometimes maybe all of you're true, but sincerely, seeing Unreal, the newest Tron, or the forthcoming HalfLife 2 I don't think they sucks ... but perhaps all this stuff is only a question of preferences... I REALLY enjoyED playing PA, Nemesis, KV, MetalGear... so many great MSX games, and I still enjoy them but, technically, they've been really obsolete man,

or isnt'it?

I'm not telling the only way to do great games is using 3D, I'm only saying using 3D capabilities of the new graphic hardware you can have a real world on your screen. You can remain on the past and imagine the Antartic playing PA, but imagine the sequel using 3D. I bet it should be as funny as the old PA...

Although there are some exceptions, most of the time 3D images kill all the gameplay. Besides, 99% of all 3D games don't look even remotely close to real at all.

I'd rather have a good game that looks 'bad' than a bad game that looks 'good'.

Technically obsolete?!
Since when do we care about game technics, isn't it GAMEPLAY that matters?! That's exactly what I miss in 90% of todays (3D) games...

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I'm not telling the only way to do great games is using 3D, I'm only saying using 3D capabilities of the new graphic hardware you can have a real world on your screen. You can remain on the past and imagine the Antartic playing PA, but imagine the sequel using 3D. I bet it should be as funny as the old PA...

I don't think 3d is better and I don't want a real world to play in. Games should be 2d, just like cartoons. A real world would take away the imagination/fantasy.

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Besides, 99% of all 3D games don't look even remotely close to real at all.

O_o !! worst than 2D ?

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I'd rather have a good game that looks 'bad' than a bad game that looks 'good'.

I prefer a good game that looks very good ^_^

... believe me, there are '3D games' as funny as PA

(er... why all this hate to 3D ?? ... in any case we can play both kind of games )

Sure, Imanok there is a market and people who want new games.
I recently being busy to answer that question also for myself.
I base that on an expierence of about 8 years now.

But there are factors to count with first.

1. What is the group you want to sell it to. If you think well I want to sell it only to people who have a real msx and make the game only suitable for those people i think it could be reduce your group of interested people.Say let say make it also interesting to sell it also as a diskimage on disk with label.But looking to Cat 'n Mouse you make your games so that a diskimage can be made and that is not always possible such as Akin that runs perfectly under the MSX-player but doesnot work at all under NLMSX or RUMSX ( even with starting from diskdrive!)

2. The appointments between maker(s) and the seller or reseller itself
You want e.g. selling in a package with label/etc as Sunrise, NBNO and Totally Chaos do.
Or a simple diskimage with pdf-manual via Internet.

3. The recent so-called hype of freeware makes people postpone their purchase or do Not buy it at all because thEy think it will become sooner or later freeware.

4. People who want a game are too often people that can program themself and general people have simply to wait before a game is ready and they donot want that.

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3. The recent so-called hype of freeware makes people postpone their purchase or do Not buy it at all because thEy think it will become sooner or later freeware.

What hype? Is there a hype?!
I see nothing else than a handful of titles being declared freeware, and a lot of other titles that were freeware for years already being put up for download @ MRC.

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1. What is the group you want to sell it to. If you think well I want to sell it only to people who have a real msx and make the game only suitable for those people i think it could be reduce your group of interested people.Say let say make it also interesting to sell it also as a diskimage on disk with label.But looking to Cat 'n Mouse you make your games so that a diskimage can be made and that is not always possible such as Akin that runs perfectly under the MSX-player but doesnot work at all under NLMSX or RUMSX ( even with starting from diskdrive!)

If you want to reach a big audience you should create games that indeed work both on MSX and popular MSX Emulators. This often means you cannot use a copy-protection. The past years have shown that people can handle this responsibility now. An example: many (if not all) of the disk-images of the MCCM CD's copyrighted section are not available online on websites. That's a good thing. People finally respect copyrights.

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2. The appointments between maker(s) and the seller or reseller itself You want e.g. selling in a package with label/etc as Sunrise, NBNO and Totally Chaos do. Or a simple diskimage with pdf-manual via Internet.

I don't see what a way of distribution has to do with appointments.

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3. The recent so-called hype of freeware makes people postpone their purchase or do Not buy it at all because thEy think it will become sooner or later freeware.

Okay, I might be a little biased since the MRC are hosting the freeware downloads database but I'd still like to say: NONSENSE!

First of all: there is no 'so-called hype of freeware'. Freeware and public domain have been very common things on MSX since the mid-eighties. Example: the MK Public Domain collection.

Second, I am quite convinced the freeware downloads database can have a very positive influence on the MSX developers. It clearly shows what 'amateurs' are capable of. Early releases show that people that later started groups like Umax, Fuzzy Logic, Xelasoft etc. had a 'simple start' as well. Somehow I have the feeling a lot of new developers think they should start creating products of quality that can measure with Unknown Reality, Pumpkin Adventure 3 etc. all at once. The freeware downloads database proves that even products created in BASIC can be very entertaining. Example: 666 Haunted house. Coded in BASIC. Downloaded more than 500 times now. LIST and LEARN.

Finally. I think the group that says 'I won't buy that game, I'll just wait until it becomes freeware' is the same group that used to say 'I won't buy that game, I'll copy it from my friend who just bought it'. Most products we put in the freeware downloads database have been declared freeware 5 to 10 years after their release. Do you really think people are going to wait for it that long?

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>> Finally. I think the group that says 'I won't buy that game, I'll just wait until it becomes freeware' is the same group that used to say 'I won't buy that game, I'll copy it from my friend who just bought it'. Most products we put in the freeware downloads database have been declared freeware 5 to 10 years after their release. Do you really think people are going to wait for it that long?

Neither the makers of some products like Blue Warrior and Sonyc and KPi are also not 5 years old I beieve.

The Point I want to make is simple.
You have to count with that as a seller of a product . A maker is free to make it freeware and can do this without respect for the one who sells his product.
If you have to make more rules /appointments that thight it becomes more a juridical procedure than have fun with selling and or playing !

Indeed, that's why we gonna make selling and buying a pleasure again.

Sure , but I donot a PC to achieve it !

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Neither the makers of some products like Blue Warrior and Sonyc and KPi are also not 5 years old I beieve.

Are you saying the makers of Blue Warrior and Sonyc and KPI are younger than 5 years?! LOL

Seriously tho, these are only 3 products, while the downloads database currently consists of over 100 softwares.

I think the right place to complain about freeware products you're selling is with the makers, not the distributors (in this case MRC).

Still, there is no reason why you should not continue selling the products, because I for one prefer a physical disk+box+manual over a boring DSK-file!

sURE, 3 games that is right but true. And if that becomes a trend ...
There are titles laying on my desk from people that want the same Guyver namely free, but they are at least honest
But I am glad that you e.g. like a box.
My remarks, although it sounds like a kind of blame into the direction of MRC what is not true. But the fear is simply that people seeing whow what an amount of freeware there is within a short time , more more ....
And see yourself a newlist that contains almost 3/4 page already.
Announcement of new titles and there are one as well

Bombaman and Moonlight Saga

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But the fear is simply that people seeing whow what an amount of freeware there is within a short time , more more ....

Well, people aren't stupid. There have always been many, many freeware and PD programs and games. The MSX magazines were full with game-listings. Yet, that didn't stop anyone for buying good games as well.
The MK Public Domain archive is ~1000 disks!

People do pay for freeware. I (and many others) bought Metal Gear 2 english translation (which was freeware from the start!) from Fony because it came on 2 disks with nice labels. Just to give an example...

I think your fear is ungrounded. I also think a big freeware library can attract more (legal-minded) people to the MSX system, more people that are likely to buy new products.