I thought that would be relatively easy... Positively criticise new initiatives at the MRC frontpage, or in forum topics. By looking for example at the recent Infinite website newspost, I think we're already doing so. (web-)developers: anytime you release a new feature, send messages to various interested websites (MSXPosse, MRC, Tweakers ), so you can actually get feedback!

i thinks if MRC has an option for sends to the developer email the feedback of his newsposts and DB download reactions that will be cool

Maybe what most people want is the return of GuyveR800 to MRC?

don't change the topic please

but anyway that will be cool!

I didn't change the topic... The topic still is:

"What does the community want?"

and AFAIK we are still the community...

Idd, apart from the fact that I don't see what the two subjects have got to do with each other, the reasons why the MRC team feels GuyveR can't 'just' return to the MRC have been expressed more than enough in our forums and something tells me GuyveR isn't really willing to return to the MRC either. If I'm wrong on the latter, he knows what to do.

Lets stick to the topic of how we can keep the active members of the MSX community active, I don't think another GuyveR/MRC-discussion will be a valuable addition to this thread.

The topic of this thread is quite broad if you ask me... even though it started with the question about some webmasters wondering why they even continue on working on their site, I think it is a valuable addition to it.

a poll will tell...

( a referendum ^_^ )

Unfortunaly, MRC will never make such a poll ... because you have 3 sorts of MRC visitors :

- some people are only interested by an answer to their questions ;

- other people want to know better the MSX system ;

- other people are interested also by all the (little and big) facts that make the MSX community evolve (in different directions)

Only this last category should be interested by a poll about the return of Patriek, but by refusing since months to organise such a poll, MRC is only proving that MRC is not the entire MSX community, only an (important) part. And we must live with that ....

the poll was more meant generally: .. make a list of things that ppl could possibly want, and make a poll about it..

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Maybe what most people want is the return of GuyveR800 to MRC?

Yeah, right.

@wolf :
Ok, such a poll has indeed more chance to become reality on MRC, because it is open to different options (one of them should be the return of Patriek, but I doubt that this option is really possible : MRC is not a democracy, as we know)

I guess the reason why people get demotivated to continue to work on / for the MSX system has not changed over the years. I can therefore easily link back to my own situation. When the 'audience' you develop for becomes smaller, the less feedback you get, the less motivation you will have to do another thing. Unfortunately this is something that will not change for the better in the future. I don't make stuff for other developers to look at, you make it for a 'larger audience' of people that are impressed with what you made. These people are no longer around, basically they haven't been around for over five years. And no matter what you make for MSX, you won't attract new 'audience' type of people, since even if you make the most beautiful, technically perfect product ever conceived on MSX, it will look outdated and crappy compared to things people see everyday on other more mainstream platforms.

I get regular questions about the synth albums with MSX music I made, and regular is like 1 question in three months time, but never about the msx products. I had fun pixeling a picture for a christmas demo, but response was zero. There is your motivation problem, and calling people on the MRC to respond more often and positively is not a solution, that's more like asking collegues in a big company to be more supportive toward one another. It's nice yes, but the 'big achievement feeling' can only come from a large group outside the inner circle. And such a group is non-existent.

MrRudi, what hard words... but it has some trues and some not.

I thinks no one msx developer are aiming to astonish the outside of msx comunity ppl.

that is my 2cents

Well, people should understand that the things you do for MSX on or the MSX is just for fun. If it makes you happy then it's okay. See it as a hobby. Some people like to collect stamps, others wash their cars. And a lot of people that had 8-bit computers in their youth like new things on old machines. Retro gaming is big in a lot of other countries and will rise here also. Sure, not as big as all the new stuff and consoles but how do you want to impress people that use those machines being a hobbyist? Actually I only like a handful publishers/studios out of maybe a thousand companies. Most things suck.

Just have fun in what you do. I get my appreciation for the things I do in life from friends, family and my boss. That enough for me Should be enough for anyone else too. Ah well, never mind.