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flyguille
msx master
Posts: 1183 |  Posted: July 25 2005, 01:20 |
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| well the NONmsxér is not even intrested to be honnest we dont live in 1983 you know........ we live in 2005 almost every human has forgoten about msx........ exept for us...... i talked with some japanese people and they even dont know what a msx is......... thats bad......
BUT HEY IM NO MODERATOR BUT I SAY "LETS KEEP THIS ON TOPIC PLEASE"
and i doubt we get more info from the 1chMSX..... i guess it would even be WORSE if they release the true specs abouth the 1chMSX...... there r even new rumors that the 1chMSX will not be able to be like an TURBO R....... (this is one of the reasons i refuse to buy one) the used VDP in the msx1 is complex already...... what abouth the v9938then???) most MSXérs wont buy a 1chMSX if they dont even know for 100% sure that they realy can upgrade to msx2........... the problem is that people are woried if the current FPGA cant handle MSX2.......(because the v9938 is much more complex)...........
The Biggest mistake ever is that they released to much info abouth the FPGA it self............. (allot of people doubt that there is space left in the fpga for MSX2)..........
it would be a big rip of if in one year people can buy a new FPGA for a MSX2 upgrade......
as far as i know the current FPGA is limited to a MSX2........
MSXA promissed to make a new MSX computer ........ i tought when i heard that yess i wanna buy one in the first place......... ESE the father of the 1chipMSX could have better put their time in making a sequel to msx turbo r....... if they had done that they would have sold 5000 allready....... ive seen some screen shots of the proto type of the 1chMSX...... what i did see was that they used for the MSX2 1ch msx a diverent FPGA.....
so its not only the less specs we have that causes a drop in the sales......... its that people dont can be for 100% sure that their bought 1chMSX will ever be a MSX2.....
BTW 189 euro's is realy to MUCH for a thing that is not even 100% msx1 compatible.... and if i did not have a MSX i still would have bought a REAL MSX...... its much cheaper than a 1chMSX......
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Really the ESE has a bigger FPGA? i wasn't aware about that.... anyway POISONIC please, put here a picture to see that fact and a link with the specs of the ESE's FPGA! (at the official manufacturer website).
Ah... by the way is DIFFERENT not DIVERENT.... we toldyou already that. |
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mars2000you
msx master
Posts: 1723 | Posted: July 25 2005, 02:12 |
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POISONIC
msx professional
Posts: 883 | Posted: July 25 2005, 02:18 |
this are the specs for the 1chipmsx2 (fakemsx2)
PLD XC2S300E-5PQ208C 30 ten thousandgatesuitable FPGA of Xilinx corporation.The largest device which can be usedwith the free development tool.
????? ROM XC18V02VQ44C PLD (30 ten thousand gates) it adjusted, flash ROM of 2Mbits capacity.
SRAM HM628511 512k byte (4Mbits) SRAM. Access speed 12ns.
PLD core power source 1.8V regulator 5V -> The linear regulator of 1.8V.
PLD I/O power source 3.3V regulator 5V -> The linear regulator of 3.3V.
this r the specs for their 1chip msx:
PLD FLEX10K100A (ALTERA make) you use. Functionally, the MSX system (the slot, keyboard, joystick and BIOS, the memory mapper), VDP (9918+ α  , PSG (AY-3-8910), the false SCC disk (512kB), the false RAM disk (128kB) it is mounted.
ISP-ROM (EPC2 and ALTERA make) being similar, it does コンフィグレーション of PLD.
CPU LH0080 (SHARP make Z80) you use. This time you are not inserting in PLD.
RAM HM628512 (Hitachi make, 55ns) two uses (total 1024kB). The coin electric battery (CR2032) with it backs up.
BIOS (128kB), VRAM (128kB), the false RAM disk (128kB), the false SCC disk (512kB), the memory mapper (128kB) with you use breakdown. It is total 1024kB.
I/F Video (RGB/S terminal/composite), sound (L/R), joystick (2 ports), keyboard and MSX slot, JTAG (for PLD data entry)
if you want more data please visit.. www.hat.hi-ho.ne.jp/tujikawa/esepld/index.html
well it could be a bit confusing..... using babelfish
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flyguille
msx master
Posts: 1183 | Posted: July 25 2005, 02:18 |
After a fast study by on the ESE website....
But please POISONIC post anyway here those links
seems that ESE proyect has a FPGA of 30000LE and the 1CM 12000Le
Other thing is that the ESE board are stackeable... so you can add another over it... like a hardware addon.... for future expansion.
1CM has a 40pin connector... bot is there not notices about for what it is... and by the number of pins... mmmmm..... maybe for flash purposes
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POISONIC
msx professional
Posts: 883 | Posted: July 25 2005, 02:43 |
this is their fake msx 1 as they call it over there in japan..... you can see here a altera cyclone is used indeed.........
this is the fake msx2
in this close up next to the mmc on the right we see the fpga look at it its not an altera.......
its a spartan..... from xilinx
www.xilinx.com/products/silicon_solutions/fpgas/spartan_series/index.htm
this is confussing...... the page is last updated on 22 june 2005........
so this is why i have my doubts about the promise that it could easy being updated to a MSX2.....
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flyguille
msx master
Posts: 1183 | Posted: July 25 2005, 02:45 |
I only want from my heart that we all can buy as first generation something that we can go far with IT!... and not to be stuck in something useless then.
I not want to pay twice for a second generation then... that hurts my pocket.
As I said before already the more probably if i see that here is not a new advice from ASCII or MSXA that will be a second generation i probably will order one 1CM at last hour.
Three primary fears...
1. That the UPGRADES of VHDL will be payed and not FREE (as I suppose thinking that the MSXA needs all the time money for finance the second generation or others of its proyects).
2. That the LIMIT is reached too soon that we CAN'T reach a 100% MSX2. (nevermind of a GIGAmapper that supposely it needs only a few more LEs).
3. That the final specs.. will finally be LESS that the expected NOW... (and i remarked NOW because the specs were dowing since a while).
Now, how it will affect the support of MNBIOS for OCM ...
If I buy one... it will be supported sooner and better.
If I not buy one... it will be supported then then then... and with the helps of a betatest group first (and only as another MSX2 hardware)
My desicion of to buy or not to buy is turning harder and harder everyday.
But noworry MNBIOS is a open and fully expandable structure. OF that I am caring a LOT.
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POISONIC
msx professional
Posts: 883 | Posted: July 25 2005, 03:21 |
the system ESE used for their fake MSX2 divers to much from the 1chMSX concept.....
so its unfair to promise a so called "MSX2 upgrade" for the 1 chip MSX
as you can see in the picture's above and read on the site of "ESE ARTISTS"
ese artists has 2 diverent 1chipMSX's :
-fake MSX1
-fake MSX2
people are confussing this 2 1chip msx'es together........
so its not even sure as flyguille already mentions that we will even have a 1chipMSX2 one day......
people think that an upgrade is as simple as baking a cake by example.....
And yes ESE artists did make a fpga MSX2 but its totaly diverent from the fakemsx1......
so its unfair to say that the ese has achieved to make a 100% compatible MSX2 with the 1chmsx hardware............ it are 2 separate projects...............
so spreading lies abouth the 1chmsx is not the right way to sell more 1chip msx'es......
my specs come straitly from the website of ese artists......... so yes this time i actualy know where im talking abouth so this confirms that its not just an flush update like bazix is tells us......
So BAZIX please tell people the truth or confince the msx community that the 1chip MSX is fully upgradable with 100% proof please...... i wanted to buy a 1chMSX but know i wont.....
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flyguille
msx master
Posts: 1183 | Posted: July 25 2005, 05:28 |
grrrrrr is "DIFFERENT" not "DIVERENT" why does you one and another time that typo?
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Novick
msx friend
Posts: 7 | Posted: July 25 2005, 10:36 |
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| Hey I'm new in all this but to me it seems some people are clearly mentally not 100%, I mean even if non msx ers would read this they'd be able to make out that some people are living in their own makebelief fantasy bubble. Now I know a couple of mentally ill people that I get a long with very well (some are good friends of mine) but it doesn't take away that you can behave like a total dick and call people names and put em down like this...I took the effort of reading the other posts at msxposse and boy oh boy is this fodder for a good shrink !
I mean, no reason to be a blunt assh0le if people are trying to make up for something and come to burry the axes of previous battles.
If open discussion is not possible anymore (And where have we seen this in holland the last years,i don't need to name examples) then ignorance will rule and hatred will be the result of this.
And on another note: come on people,IT'S A F*CKING MSX COMPUTER !!! GET A LIFE !!!
BOOT A FRIGGING KONAMI GAME AND CHILL THE F^CK OUT !!!!!
There's more in life then this,it's all for fun and the msx scene does not benefit from this at all imho !!!
now, where is that field and I am already fully undressed
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Back to the original topic, i guess.
I totally agree with Poke here. Some of you are way to involved and hung-up on this. Some of these discussions seem like pre-teen arguments. Go outside, meet some friends. Marry a girl and get a kid or two (seriously, you won't regret it ;-)). You wanna know what I like best about MSX? It's the memories, the past, the good times. I'm playing PA3 right now. Again, probably for the third time. Why? Because it reminds me of the old days. Although I think some of these new MSX (r)evolutions are cool, they will not bring the past back to life. As for me, MSX is the past, not the future (although a new RoA disk might be cool, but I guess that originated from the past as well). Maybe some of us should do that to, live in the past. It's cool, you never get disappointed and you get to play all of those fun games. As far as the OCM goes, I don't believe in it. In short, let's stick to past. The future holds very little for MSX (unless Konami starts creating Nemesis 4, but I don't expect that to happen anytime soon!). Remember this: it's all about the fun. It always has been, it always should be. |
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Novick
msx friend
Posts: 7 | Posted: July 25 2005, 10:38 |
Complementing my previous post: let's spend more time behind our MSX and less time on the MRC!
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snout
msx legend
Posts: 4991 | Posted: July 25 2005, 12:21 |
About the size of the Altera Cyclone FPGA chip used in the One Chip MSX: by default it is configged as a 'boosted' MSX1 config, the FGPA is definitely large enough to implement the V9938 and everything else needed to make it work as an MSX2, including MSX-MUSIC emulation, in it. As stated several times before, there are only a couple of timing issues left to be solved, that's all. I have seen it work with my own eyes, but you can do so as well, just have a look at this photoshoot, you will see many One Chip MSXes with the Altera Cyclone FPGA core, most of which are running MSX2 software such as Solid Snake and Space Manbow. |
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Samor
msx professional
Posts: 841 | Posted: July 25 2005, 12:21 |
Novick > Well, I do like it when new demo's or games are released by fans of the system every now and then 
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Novick
msx friend
Posts: 7 | Posted: July 25 2005, 12:40 |
I do too. I just don't think a bright future rests on games and demo's "every now and then". It's just that I found out there's is much more to enjoy from in the past than there will be in the future. Maybe my message comes across somewhat blurred (I've never been good at finding the right words at the right time), but I guess what I'm trying to say is that good memories bring a life-time of happiness. (Am I sounding corny or what?). I'm just trying not to get those memories scrambled by current and future issues we encounter here at the MRC forums (flamewars, people getting hurt, endless discussions and so on. You get the picture).
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Samor
msx professional
Posts: 841 | Posted: July 25 2005, 13:14 |
That is true. In that case, time is indeed better spent on the MSX itself.
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