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sjoerd
msx addict
Posts: 450
Posted: January 15 2003, 22:12   
Programmable hardware? So when I want a Moonsound (why should I want that?) I can download it from the Internet into my new msx? I can program my own hardware?



And the new msx will feature an outdated cpu, with a price of $100 for the whole system. Remember the Z80 was outdated back then when the first msx was designed. And even more at the introduction of msx2 and 'tweeplus'. We don't need a GHz cpu anyway.



And HTT is not a good idea, but just another way to say your cpu design sucks.



But the get back to the 'thoughts about an ox' thread:



The general opion seems to be Linux is a good idea. I really don't think so. I want a nice OS. And those Linux guis are crap. Why not a new msx os? (No, I will NOT mention Windows again )

And I know nishi said something about linux/intent and whatever. So what? The fact that the new msx will have linux and intent as operating systems doesn't mean it's a good idea.
snout

msx legend
Posts: 4992
Posted: January 16 2003, 01:42   
An os based on Linux is something else than using Linux as an OS.

This website is based on a popular CMS that is bloated all over. We changed loads of code making it quite a different CMS, but it is still based on that CMS. We are still even capable of loading most of the modules created for this CMS (like the forum you are reading right now, although we adjusted quite a bit of this code as well but that's beside the point).



I think it makes sense to not start an OS entirely from scratch, but to adjust an existing core and adapt it directly to your system. And it would be great if the most popular Linux software would work as well too (own GCC compiler). Imagine running WINE on.. naah



Damn I'm starting to sound like an opensource lover right now. Do you read me, mth?



Back to my point. It's a bad thing if the one-chipper could run Mandrake and Suse and Redhat and Debian etc. etc.... It's a good thing if the internal OS is (loosely?) based on the core of Linux. But there might be even better alternatives.
GuyveR800
msx guru
Posts: 3048
Posted: January 16 2003, 14:14   
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Programmable hardware? So when I want a Moonsound (why should I want that?) I can download it from the Internet into my new msx? I can program my own hardware?





Yes! Ain't it great?! ^_^ I can't wait!



And about HyperThreading, that only works on big superscalar processors with very deep pipelines like Pentium 4. An ARM is generally not superscalar and does not have a deep pipeline, which is exactly why it's so power efficient, and why the one-chip MSX will not need a big noisy 300W power supply.



Also, HyperThreading does not have as much in common with MultiThreading as its name implies.

MultiThreading is a software method to achieve MultiTasking within a single program.

HyperThreading is a hardware method to increase instruction paralellism when running multiple threads.
snout

msx legend
Posts: 4992
Posted: January 19 2003, 12:11   
Back to the OS-es. I think there might be one problem. Costs.



Because, basically we are talking three OSes here



1) MSX old style, just a BIOS and something (DOS/BASIC) to make the damn thing boot, to be able to start other software.

2) A version of Linux, highly adapted to the one-chipper.

3) Intent/ElateOS (Elate is an OS of ASCII based on/running on Intent)




Leo
msx freak
Posts: 238
Posted: February 14 2003, 23:05   
Has anybody tried to program software to be used on halOS/hibrid or msx window 98/2000 ?
I remember using Hal , I find it very usefull.
Well they are just over the MSX-DOS , but they had been interesting.



 
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