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Yes, and -I repeat- that is just my opinion.

Well then it's not a very sensible one ...

In MY opinion as time went by msx1-games got better and better but then also alot bigger !

I believe Konami set the new standard for MSX1 games with their Nemesis3 ...fantastic gfx..superb animation ...great music...they've gotton the most out of the msx1 as possible.....but then they did use a 2megarom...to do it !

So we should (try to) continue from where the *BEST* (in my opinion) left off and keep up the quality in the games...and not regress

Just my two cents...

First, I also think that MSX games (1, 2, 2+ and TR) must work on "real" MSXs. That means that MSX games must work on the raw MSX as they were sold and, maybe, optionally use some of the expansions.

Second, regarding the MSX Dev... I think viejo_archivero said the same (many times... the same discussion arises every year). It is a contest with one specific target: MSX-1 and a limited amount of ROM. There are other choices for people wanting to release games with higher specs. Moreover... to make a game it is not necessary to send it to any contest. Also... the MSX Dev is the most successful contest, and that must be for some reason. Maybe developers love MSX1, maybe players do... don't know, but the success of MSX Dev is a fact.

Third, regarding to higher specs. I completely agree with RyJuZo when he sais that some games (though I don't agree the game, Nemesis III is not one of my favourites ;-) ) defined a high quality standard for MSX1 and that our goal should be to make better games and that, maybe, higher specs are needed. However... in order to surpass that quality, we first have to reach it.

I think that most (if not all) recent games are inferior to the "good oldies". I am sure that, technically, new games surpass most of the oldies. But the new games are inferior to the "good oldies" in terms of design and gameplay. And that's the problem.

In other words: higher specs are needed to improve the technical quality, to add more music, graphics, effects, colors, ... but higher specs are *not* needed to make better *games*. Going back to the example of Nemesis III: the day somebody programs a game having the same quality using the same ROM size, that day higher specs (for MSX1, I mean) would be required. Until then, they are not. To overcome the "classics" we first have to reach them.

Just my 30 euros

just don't understand why people still bother having an msx1, with cassette players (tediously long loading times) where msx2's are easily available to the whole world, since there's ebay and plenty of people selling them here. Instead of whoring out (pimping) an msx1 with CF card readers and what not, wouldn't it be 10 times easier just to invest 30 euros for an msx2 with diskdrive ? and oh joy they play msx 1 games as well !
I guess what you get now is that the msx2 becomes an obsolete piece of hardware, because there are people that are too damn stubborn to get a proper msx 2 and rather enjoy a whopping 16 colour palette. And yes, the msx 2 is still as much of a retro computer as the msx 1

"I think that most (if not all) recent games are inferior to the "good oldies". I am sure that, technically, new games surpass most of the oldies. But the new games are inferior to the "good oldies" in terms of design and gameplay. And that's the problem."

Clap, clap, clap, clap !

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yeah space mambow totally sucks designwise, you're absolutely right...

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Quote: RyJuZo, so finally, we won't see your Knightmare III: Raziël's Revenge! this year?? yes you will....as I said...the game will be completed on time even if we're out the competition...

Actually, hope your first game for MSX will be great and I am sure that we will see more game in a near future

If you are into the system due to nostalgia, and you'd never experienced the MSX2 back then (my first cpu was an MSX(1), then a PC), why I must love MSX2 gaming? MSX2 is cool, yeah, but MSX2 games have nothing to do with the games I'd played back then. It is something like forcing a NES freak to love the SNES too, just for the fact it is the evolution of it, although he never played SNES games... I love the MSX, but that does not imply I have to love MSX2 games too.

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and oh joy they play msx 1 games as well!

LOL, in fact I just play MSX(1) games with my MSX2

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Just my 30 euros just don't understand why people still bother having an msx1, with cassette players (tediously long loading times) where msx2's are easily available to the whole world, since there's ebay and plenty of people selling them here. Instead of whoring out (pimping) an msx1 with CF card readers and what not, wouldn't it be 10 times easier just to invest 30 euros for an msx2 with diskdrive ? and oh joy they play msx 1 games as well ! I guess what you get now is that the msx2 becomes an obsolete piece of hardware, because there are people that are too damn stubborn to get a proper msx 2 and rather enjoy a whopping 16 colour palette. And yes, the msx 2 is still as much of a retro computer as the msx 1

Maybe people still bother to have an MSX1 because they like it!... And about cassettes: There are some MSX2 without disk drive, like my beloved Sony HB-F9S, which you need a casstte player to load the games, as I use to do... to play the MSX1 games. (like viejo_archivero does!)

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If you are into the system due to nostalgia, and you'd never experienced the MSX2 back then (my first cpu was an MSX(1), then a PC), why I must love MSX2 gaming? MSX2 is cool, yeah, but MSX2 games have nothing to do with the games I'd played back then. It is something like forcing a NES freak to love the SNES too, just for the fact it is the evolution of it, although he never played SNES games... I love the MSX, but that does not imply I have to love MSX2 games too.

That's exactly what I wanted to say.

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"It is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose so important." Antoine De Saint Exupéry - The Little Prince

shouldn't the prices for msxdev be changed into:

1st) an nms 8010
2nd) a real quickdiskdrive !!!
3rd) a datarecorder
4th) some BASF tapes ?


just pulling your leg gents

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Just my 30 euros just don't understand why people still bother having an msx1, with cassette players (tediously long loading times) where msx2's are easily available to the whole world, since there's ebay and plenty of people selling them here. Instead of whoring out (pimping) an msx1 with CF card readers and what not, wouldn't it be 10 times easier just to invest 30 euros for an msx2 with diskdrive ?

I must agree with you, msx is a standard that evolved in years (1,2,2+,TR). A lot of people see msx only as msx1, that of course is a bit limiting. It's as now, on moderns pc software only work to be compatible with a old 8088 with cga card and two floppies. Why in the hell, i need a modern pentium with tons on ram if i only use the first MB? I will stay to a PC/XT with the trusty 8088.!

The problem is that limiting the dev to the only msx1 cut down the possibility to make games that run on msx2, or 2+ or TR. Simply because a game is not possible on msx1, this does not mean that a convertion could not be tryed on newer msx generations.

Actually, if a game *is* possible on MSX2+ no one do it because there is no msxdev. So a developer abort the idea and the game does not see the light.

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1st) an nms 8010 2nd) real quickdiskdrive !!! 3rd) a datarecorder 4th) some BASF tapes ?

5th) a head cleaning cassette for your data recorder

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It is something like forcing a NES freak to love the SNES too, just for the fact it is the evolution of it, although he never played SNES games... I love the MSX, but that does not imply I have to love MSX2 games too.

A SNES doesn't directly allow you to play NES games too...

viejo_archivero description is really what I feel too. Sure MSX2 is a nice architecture and it has some good games, but I chose Atari ST instead of MSX2 when I needed something better than MSX1 so I have no attachments at all with MSX2. And because a Yamaha CX5M was my first computer is probably why I'm much more emotionally attached to MSX1 than any other system.

Well, pity msx 2's weren't so widespread elsewhere as here in Holland.
our nostalgia vs. the rest