Hmm, what can I say.
It's been the first Tilburg for us (well, at least for a very, very veeeeeeery long time).
And we missed the nicest things due to the fact it was not clear that there were other floors..
(I've seen club meetings with even less material than the first floor, so we thought that was it)..
More communication would be nice, bigger signs, maybe a map hand-out at the entrance.

so, I guess my experience doesn't count here, but still my eur .02

and wolf: Tilburg is about as centred in NL than it can be.. if the fair would be in Zwolle/A'foort, people from the south would not come. At least I wouldn't.. I'm not driving 3 hours for one hour fair Everyone would like to have a fair close to him/her, but that is just not possible, at least not in the current situation, where only a few hardcore people are really active..

Sorry but amersfoort is much more centered inNL.


From Hoogeveen to Tilburg and back was actually arround 6 hours travel for me. (But then again I visited all 3 floors. )

I like the idea of haveing the fair as close as possible. But like you allready said everybody wants that. And Wolf allready mentioned that a fair in Hoogeveen wouldn't work out that well because of the distance and railway connection. (No intercity)

I think a place like Utrecht or Amersfoort is ideal for an MSX fair in the Netherlands. I spent more time travelling to and from Tilburg than the entire fair last. It's something I do gladly for a fair like that.

And what about Limburg (to bring the MSX-spiritback), f.e. in Maastricht; Mecc!

I'd have to travel even MORE

No, seriously... lets follow Rob Hiep's wise words first and do things step by step. The first step is to contact the CGV and let them know about our feelings. I already announced that the MRC will set up a letter which is to be sent to the CGV on behalf of all standholders (of course we will send the contents of the letters to the standholders first and see if they agree to them). Everything that happens after that depends on the reactions of the CGV. Possible options is that they decide to improve things themselves, that they ask one or more active MSX groups to help them with organisation or that they decide to scale down the CGV meeting, making it possible for one or more MSX groups to start a new, big msx fair. However like I said, that are many steps ahead.

IF a new fair at a new location is the outcome of the discussion between CGV and the MSX community, I think it would be best to host it somewhere in the middle of the Netherlands (thus Utrecht, Amersfoort) since those places are relatively good to reach for everyone. As for MSX in Limburg, Friesland or Groningen or Zeeland or... I think hosting new big international MSX fairs over there is not a good idea. (I'm not convinced yet), mainly because those locations are all too far away for a majority. However, maybe it's possible to do some (bi)-monthly club meetings over there too, just like in the old days .

Two to three big MSX user meetings (Bussum, Oss, Tilburg or its follow-up) are more than enough for the MSX community as it is now, but there can never be enough club-meetings!

I don't know what the problem with Tilburg is, but from everywhere, you can get there by highway.. A'foort is 2.5h drive from S-Limburg, Tilburg 1.5h or less.
Tilburg is surrounded by highways: A58, A65, A261, coming from every direction.
edit: argh! I'm always confusing apeldoorn with amersfoort.. sigh.

anyway, it's always been Tilburg, but of course, if someone is willing to organise (don't underestimate the effort needed) somewhere else..

and koetje: MECC charges lots of eur$ for fairs.. not something which is doable for amateurs.. might be nice&close though

robert wilting, you are from hoogeveen ???


I raise my hand for Amersfoort, since it directly connects Amsterdam, Groningen, Leeuwarden, Enschede, Schiphol, and all cities in between. And it's only 15mins from Utrecht with the train.

Amersfoort sounds nice to me as well. There leaves a train for Amersfoort from Haarlem

Same goes for Bussum, there's a direct connection to Amersfoort.

Even Groningen has a direct connection to Amersfoort

Bussum doesn't have an intercity station..

Quote:

Bussum doesn't have an intercity station..

I think Grauw means there's a direct connection FROM Bussum ...

Anyone who neeDS a route-map for intercities please call the NS
pFF. Can this stop before there has been written a letter

Rob (sunrise) is right. If we go on like this we have hundreds of potential MSX fair location while we didn't even give the original Tilburg organization another chance yet. I waited for my emotions and feelings to cool down a bit, so I'll start writing an objective letter giving my view on the situation. It will be sent to all standholders, I hope they can agree on the contents which might need a little editing. Then the letter will be sent to the CGV on behalf of most (if not all) standholders of this year. We'll see what happens after that. We will keep you posted, of course

Yes I am.
Okay I could say right now that I'm living in Amsterdam. Since that is where I do my Practical work for school but most weekends I still live in Hoogeveen.