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Symbian emulator?

jr
msx addict
Posts: 310
Posted: August 12 2003, 05:45   
No, it only works on phones based on the Series 60 platform because the emulator is a native Series 60 application written mostly in C++ language.

Currently available/published Nokia phones utilizing the Series 60 platform are the 7650, the 3650, the 6600 and the N-Gage. There are also phones published (but not yet available) from other manufacturers based on the Series 60 platform such as Siemens SX1 and Samsung SGH-D700.
snout

msx legend
Posts: 4992
Posted: August 12 2003, 11:16   
The 6600's already available??
Sousuke
msx freak
Posts: 154
Posted: August 12 2003, 15:45   
Well then, guess I'm gonna get a 7250 then.
/me wanna have a mobile MSX

[edit]mistake: of course I meant 7650 [/edit]
Latok
msx master
Posts: 1734
Posted: August 12 2003, 15:51   
Well, buy the 3650 instead. It has external MMC for datastorage. I tell you, that's VERY useful......The 7650 has a better joystick though.....Sigh....
jr
msx addict
Posts: 310
Posted: August 12 2003, 17:58   
Quote:

The 6600's already available??



Not quite... but soon.

I spent some time today with the sound support for the emulator, btw. Got some results but I have to figure out a good way to synchronize the sound generator which is a bit tricky because of the way the Symbian OS Media Server works... I'll try to think of something =)
Sousuke
msx freak
Posts: 154
Posted: August 13 2003, 23:51   
Quote:

Well, buy the 3650 instead. It has external MMC for datastorage. I tell you, that's VERY useful......The 7650 has a better joystick though.....Sigh....

I also thought of getting a 3650, because of the external storage, but I kinda didn't like its design..
Maybe next time my phone will get a MMC

Quote:

I spent some time today with the sound support for the emulator, btw. Got some results but I have to figure out a good way to synchronize the sound generator which is a bit tricky because of the way the Symbian OS Media Server works... I'll try to think of something =)

BTW that kind of sound DSP do these phones have? (e.g. capabilities)

Oh yes, I'm not sure wheter I'm just stupid
But how can I 'eject' a ROM, so I can start disk-images?
jr
msx addict
Posts: 310
Posted: August 14 2003, 10:08   
Quote:

BTW that kind of sound DSP do these phones have? (e.g. capabilities)



I don't know, the information is not available I guess... and anyway user mode code does not have access to the DSP hardware so you are limited to what is offered by the Media Server.

Quote:

Oh yes, I'm not sure wheter I'm just stupid
But how can I 'eject' a ROM, so I can start disk-images?



Sorry for the lack of documentation, I havent spent any time on doing it

To eject a ROM cartridge or disk image, press the "clear" key on the main menu over the cartridge/disk you wish to eject.

Latok
msx master
Posts: 1734
Posted: August 14 2003, 10:13   
Quote:

I also thought of getting a 3650, because of the external storage, but I kinda didn't like its design..
Maybe next time my phone will get a MMC



Yoú'll regret that very much. As soon as you're into installing utilities (which you are ), you'll go and cry: 'Why does this phone only have 4mbyte memory!!!!!!!'

The 3650 design is kinda different, I agree. But the MMC REALLY compensates that.

Aaaaah whatever, don't say I didn't warn ya
Sousuke
msx freak
Posts: 154
Posted: August 14 2003, 16:02   
Quote:

Sorry for the lack of documentation, I havent spent any time on doing it

No prob, you've already done a great job in porting fmsx

Quote:

The 3650 design is kinda different, I agree. But the MMC REALLY compensates that.

Aaaaah whatever, don't say I didn't warn ya

Well, to be honest, the other reason why I got the 7650, is because of the price.
I wondered that the 3650 was that more expensive (for a poor student )
But thanks anyway for your suggestion. I really appreciate that
jfestrelabr
msx friend
Posts: 3
Posted: August 14 2003, 18:59   
i need the fotsteps for convert a .rom to a .Sis , i download a program in your site but when i try to convert .rom for .sys , the program generate only a .gz file , and this file not runing in your emulator , im using a 0.92 version.
mac85
msx friend
Posts: 4
Posted: August 15 2003, 00:38   
Im having the same problem as jfestrelabr, where the program is only going as far as to turn the rom into a .gz file and want complete what its doing so it will end up as a .sis file, is there something im not doing or is there a problem with the program. It must be me there seems to be other people playing games no problem, what do i need to do.
karloch

msx addict
Posts: 418
Posted: August 15 2003, 01:07   
I couldn't agree even more with Latok. The external memory expansion of 3650 make it much better than the 7650. It is true that the external look, the keyboard and the joystick of 7650 are better than the 3650 ones, but only 4 MB is not enough to install every applications that you need at your phone (and save your photos, videos, MP3s, MIDs...); and you need to use programs like Stacker, that compress the memory but have compatibility issues with some programs...

About the post of the people having problems with creating the SIS, please read the howto that comes with the file. I just followed the steps and got the SIS file created correcty. But be warned, the PC tool to create the SIS file is prepared for the 0.91 version of emulator, not 0.92. You will have to modify the PKG file to match the 0.92 version (it is as easy as change the 0.91 for 0.92 at the beginning and the end of the file).

Hope that this help ^^
jr
msx addict
Posts: 310
Posted: August 15 2003, 08:32   
If you are unable to generate the SIS file from your ROM/DSK images, I guess that you haven't had a look at what's inside the PKG file. It's a text file so you can use for example Windows Notepad to edit it.

I updated the PKG file for 0.92 to have the right version number (the 0.92 tools ZIP is different than 0.91 tools ZIP).

Anyway, when you look at the contents, you will see that a lot of stuff is being included in the SIS. If you do not have all the listed ROMs and DSKs (or if you do not want to include them in the SIS) you need to edit the PKG file because if some of the listed files are missing the SIS file will not be created. You can use the comment char (semicolon) to take out the lines that refer to files that you do not want to put in the SIS file.

I will add a step for this in the .howto file.

[edit]
Okay, I just did that, here is the new .howto file so you don't have to download the ZIP again. I hope this is more helpful than the previous one:

How to create an install packet (.sis) for the MSX system ROMS & games:
=======================================================================

1. Copy the system ROM files you need to this directory:
- msx.rom (for MSX1 emulation)
- msx2.rom and msx2ext.rom (for MSX2 emulation)
- msx2p.rom and msx2pext.rom (for MSX2+ emulation)
- disk.rom (for disk support)
- msxdos22.rom (for MSXDOS2 support)
2. Copy the game ROM and disk image files you want to install to this directory:
- e.g. "Penguin Adventure.rom" and "Elite.dsk"
3. Modify fmsx_roms.pkg file with a text editor (e.g. Windows Notepad) to include
only the ROM and DSK files you want to include in the .sis packet. You can use
the comment character (semicolon) to take out unnecessary lines and/or insert
new lines for additional files.
4. Run fmsx_roms.bat
- all ROM files are first compressed with gzip
- fmsx_roms.sis file is created
5. Transfer the generated .sis file to your device (e.g. via infra-red)
and install it. You must have installed fMSX/S60 prior to this step.


[/edit]
mac85
msx friend
Posts: 4
Posted: August 15 2003, 18:47   
ive edited the pkg file in word to show only the game I want and all I seem to get when I run fmsx_rom.bat error in part 12. Im probably work it out eventually if i mess about enough but i still dont know what you mean when you say copy system rom files to this directory, what exactly are you suppose to copy. Look i dont want to be awkward but with any other emulator i have used on my phone you just get a rom stick it on the phone and use the emulator to play the rom, surely that would be easier than having to do all these conversions with pc programs.
snout

msx legend
Posts: 4992
Posted: August 15 2003, 18:56   
To run an emulator you don't only need a ROM or DSK file of the game you want to play, you'll need the System ROM files of the machine you want to emulate as well.

Since it is illegal to distribute the MSX System ROM files they are not included in most MSX emulators.

Quote:

1. Copy the system ROM files you need to this directory:
- msx.rom (for MSX1 emulation)
- msx2.rom and msx2ext.rom (for MSX2 emulation)
- msx2p.rom and msx2pext.rom (for MSX2+ emulation)
- disk.rom (for disk support)
- msxdos22.rom (for MSXDOS2 support)

These are the files need. You can not find them on MSX Resource Center, and you're not allowed to ask for them here either. If you have a real MSX computer you can extract the system ROM files from that machine using the proper tools. If you don't, you're not allowed to run the MSX emulator. Doing it anyway is your own responsibility.
 
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