Chatlogs MSXposse and MSX Music Editor chat nights

Hehehe kewl!

imho, the #msx and #msxdev logs aren't different compared to any ordinary chatnight tho

I'd say last night's #msxdev chat night was a success
Though it didn't differ much from normal nights, it did attract some new visitors, who I hope will return more often.

As for #msx, judge for yourself... ^^;

I don't agree with this post and log for downloading. I think you better remove these logs, because you have nobody ask to place these logs! That's very stupid and dumb. So I wanna see that you remove the logs right now!

The MRC received this newspost which was submitted by BiFi. We think it has newsvalue and therefor it was posted.

@ Latok: That will not means that you can add logs without asking the people who have joined the chat.

LOL, it's a public chat channel!
If you didn't want this, you should've joined a PRIVATE channel.

I am glad they don't remove the links. For one thing, you announced a chat night on a public IRC channel. Therefore the logs may be put to download. If they would have removed the links, I would have personally complained about it and posted them on other places where the moderation is close to zero, i.e. the international MSX Mailing list and the comp.sys.msx newsgroup and even in the MSX Resource Center forums. Removing the links would result in removing the chatlog for the other channel as well. I haven't heard any complaints of the people who participated in the channel. I will not remove the logs from that site.

msxposse-odyssey, you are aware that this site is being indexed by google, and that everything you say here is logged and publicly viewable?

You're making an even bigger fool of yourself than that log already does.

I remember you have problems in the past with resource center. Yep, that was in the past. MRC has changed for the better, although nothing is ever perfect ofcourse.

I know everthing about the diss of msxposse.com and that you guys call us msxpussy.com.Who do you mean? I've never seen anyone say that.

Anyway, do you think acting like this gets you more respect?

You haven't given any reason why you want them removed, you haven't given any arguments at all!
Maybe if you would explain calmly the problem, it might be solved...

Well Thanx BiFi! I will contact you and talk about this. I don't know your mailadres or contact information.

@ro: It's not the substance of the lchatog that matters, but the principle! Nobody ask me anything. So that's why I get angry, not because I talk so much nonsence in the chat.

The be honest, it wasn't worth the read nor the download anyway.

These are quite harsh accusations you make here dude. Maybe you should show some prove or otherwise admit you're lying and apologize?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Awww.msx.org+msxpussy.com&btnG=Google+Search

0 results. And F.Y.I. google indexed almost 10.000 pages of the English MRC.

You'd better get your act together dude!

Why not spill your guts? If you know so much about us, then tell everyone about it. We've got nothing to hide dude, do you?

I'm the admin of MSX Posse and I placed the announcement. So that's clear.

Some people have a problem with the log because of the privacy, I respect that. End of case.

See ya all next time at the next Chat Night!

Thanks for the DoS attack guys! I loved it
You will be reported to the authorities though, sorry!

I have just removed the other chatlog as well. I think there are enough people who have it and people who still want to have it... let the trading commence

I don't get this. Why are these logs so importent to some people. I have seen that it is posted on the mailinglist bij guyver800. {Moderated}
I remember this things as well. If you think you are smart and get away with this you have it wrong.

{MOD}This is the second time I'm asking you not to start calling people names.. Thank you!{/MOD}

And I don't get the reaction from msx.org and that they backup people like Guyver800. If the are some people that harms the MRC, then the house is too small for MRC, but know the laugh. This is aslo very foolish and enrage the contacts with msx users and msx clubs who want mean something to the scene. I have never thinking that some people are so bad. But know I know this, I now know why some things won't succeed. I think these actions to place logs and irritate people who ask some respect. It's scandalous if you don't show some respect if somebody asks some privacy and think it's not so important to let read the rest of the world a conversation. It's the principle as I already sad, not the substance.

The principle to show some respect. And guess what?! There is no respect to each other! Too bad. Think about this and learn. People like GuyveR800 that has a very very bad attitude must ne ignored form the scene.

@msxposse-odyssey
Ehm, aren't you a bit overreacting right now (understatement)
BiFi indeed did something he shouldn't have done. GuyveR800 posting the logs on usenet is also "not done", but with this kind of reactions, you are making a bit of a fool of yourself.
Please calm down. It's not worth it, really!

@tfh: No I don't overreact, but I wanna tell why I think this is no good for the scene. People like GuyveR800 and bifi misuse the situation and disturb the scene. That's why. Read people! read! It's the PRINCIPLE!

I have NOTHING to do with MG-Ray, and I had NOTHING to do with posting these logs!

Also, you didn't ask politely, your first post was even moderated because of its content.

I don't understand why you had to drag me into this war between you and MRC.

I read the thing.. So... Big deal...

It was pre announced.. so, a follow up had to be posted (by placing the logs).
Ok, it would be better to preannounce that log posting thing, else we should have all this fuzz atm..

But still: #MSX & #MSXDEV are.. And hopefully will always be: PUBLIC THREADS!

So, what's the difference if anyone @ mrc would log into #msx/ #msxdev or would read the logs...

Duh...

Well GuyveR800, you don't know something about posting these logs on msx.comp.sys? Come on man, you are so lame. Know you are scared and play the innocent! But no, I don't falling for it. You are a guy that has a bad attidude. So stop these actions and think about what you are doing man! Why you and BiFi searching for problems and show no respect!

In the past I thought had some respect for you because the wrangle with mrc. mrc is not always proper and I understand some reactions from you. But I had also suspicion. Know I change my opinion about you, sorry for that, but you make it happen with these stupid things. Too bad!

Think about it, think about why I get angry, why this conversation. It's so long that the scene is rotten. This sucks, and this must be stopped. And you can't stop it if you don't show some respect. That's why!

Well GuyveR800, you don't know something about posting these logs on msx.comp.sys?
You pulled me into this war LONG before I posted those.
In fact, I posted those after you and your friends DDoS attacked my sites and tried to hack into BiFi's computer.
You do realize that's a crime? And so are these death threats.

It's a free country, there's free speech, and #msx is a public place, and you encouraged people to come and chat. It's only logical other people should be allowed to read what went on there, so they can make up their mind about joining or not a next time.

Let's see you do something POSITIVE for the scene, in stead of demanding respect that you did not earn!

Well, the 'invitation' was made public .. the channel is public .. I see no harm in putting the log somewhere for the public. Apart from that, the MRC forum is public, even *your* posse-forum is public .. so what's the big deal with a public irc log? And did you hear any #msxdev attender cry about the public #msxdev log? Ofcourse not .. because they don't mind!

@IC: if they are really smart, they don't spending time to do such things.

I think some people won't understand what is going on. I have try to tell why, nobody has asked and they havn't asked people to put chatlogs online. So that's the problem. I's all about respect for eachother. And if there are people who won't understand this, too bad. Then I wish you people good luck with damage the scene.

Oh by the way GuyveR800, what's the reason that I or msxposse would hack you or BiFi? There was no reason before you posting the logs. So I don't get this. I think you are trying to make accusation to me and msxposse. So, this is what I talking about for hours! You prove what I talking about! That you trying to stir up the wole thing and make a war. So in fact i'm right. You are a bad guy with a bad attitude.

So, now i'm curious what BiFi has to say about hacking his PC. I think he won't because you are lying.

@h-war: I think you are a big dildo to, with BiFi and GuyveR800! Lame, and childish!

Well I didn't want to write this but:

MSXPOSSEE, who are you (all of you) and what have you ever done for the scene? (I'm really asking, not f**ng with you)
B'coz you talk about how the scene got bad and all.. but where you ever innit? I'm curious. proof me wrong will ya. (trust me I've seen the scene's dynamics over the last 20 years and you weren't innit.. afaik.)

Further more. it's time for ALL of you (esp. the whole posse) to sit down, relax and consider. Cuz this is getting too nasty, even for me. So I'm telling you to either shape up or shut up. period.

It's too bad the logs were posted without any permission, and it's too bad ppl have to make a scene (euh, you know. .the other scene) about it. For all I know; we're all just polite MSX users who DO have respect for each other but you should be carefull with that trust. Once you've proven wrong it's gonna get rotten hard to regain any respect.. ever.

shake onnit will ya and grow up for MSX sake.

(ps. beef and Guyv, be the better man here and stop commenting)
singing off. Ro (aka Shadow from Fuzzy Logic.. just in case you were wondering)

Pff, the comments of J-war (what's in a name) proofs what I talking about. They think are funny and are enjoy grammatical mistakes. How childish can you be? Sometimes I write too fast, so I make mistakes. But this is for such people interesting and deduce the conversation.

@ro: I'm also about 10 years in the scene active. I got my first msx in 1988. Everybody is a unique person and a affix to the scene. Producing or not, you're being part of the scene. Why some people think that you first must proof yourself before you a part of the scene? That's so stupid and out of date!

I invite people to discuss about it on http://www.msxposse.com. You are welcome!

Thank you!

I only said my server was attacked today. No accusations whatsoever.

That saves us from signing-up and having another username+password to remember, and you'll have less troubles dealing with more than 10 active members.

What a shit message

Ok.. Odyssey: Now I'm pissed... It's like the whole thread you'r pissin' on people.. and for what... Posting log files on mrc & so...

First off all, you didn't matter on the subject because you say you have nothing to hide. But now you'r using stamps on some guys wich I think is really 'NOT DONE'.

I think some statements are not true.. First: G&B are dumb... and G is a bad ass... How and where do you get this stuff? Lifetime experience?

Sorry, I don't think G is a bad ass, and B & G are not dumb

Now you'r accussing Wolf of not being creative.. Ehr.. MB Muzax 2 & 3.. RING A BELL.. Duh.. I'v heard several tracks @ mrc.. And I think they are creative. And he has build up some experience!

And the fact you use 'this is because people like you'? Ehr.. Where does this statement come from... Jealousy?

And the fact that 'That saves us from signing-up and having another username+password to remember, and you'll have less troubles dealing with more than 10 active members.' Is stated as a negative reaction.. Heh.. I don't see this as a negative reaction.

You and some people lead to this, so you can stay on the 'top' but are so blind and foolish. You are fooling yourself with this. Too bad

Look in the mirror and say these words again...

Once again: what's your goal in all these posts?

I ws actually hesistating to post that remark, because I knew I would blow a bomb then

Yeah wolff I know that you are think being the king.

Those're your words .. I just do my thing, and I like it when ppl like it.. that's the only reason why I do what I do. I don't believe in kings and civilians, only in own responsibility and enthousiasm.

But what have you proof than some easy covers of numbers? You are not so creative as I thought. People like Poisonic has proof to being creative, you not!

Easy covers? point me to poisonic tunes and I'll give my *honest* comments..
btw.. we've gone through this one before.. which resulted in a ban for you! So, be wise and give it a rest.

So good luck with being the "king" and exclude people from the scene.

Uh, pardon me? if anyone has questions I can answer, then I'll do.. recently I spent some while with meits helping him out with mbwave/sample-editing. Few years ago I assisted chao5 traveling all the way to amsterdam and groningen to advice him on buying a piano (+ lessons).. there're more ppl who I've helped.. so you might want to take your words back.

I ask nobody being forced to come to msxposse.com That's your own decision! I only Invite. So your negative reaction that you have another username and discuss with 10 people is very childish.

So, do you know what impression you made here? Only ranting and ranting. And when I read all the BS about devcon on msxposse then it's pretty clear to me that you really don't have any self-reflection. Do you ever join any other forum outside posse and MRC? If no, then do so, it'll teach you some communication lessons. You didn't get that ban for nothing, last year.

I don't want people like you on msxposse.
don't worry!

Not people who think they are the king because they have written some covers and give other people no change to proof themself.

How old are you? Were you already walking around on this planet in the early-scene? You really think I only do covers ? (press [back] and scroll to the top of the frontpage)

That's why there are a slight of peope in the scene. Because of this.

ah.. *ahum* lesson learnt

ahwell .. a flamewar, twice a year is good for the heart (but not more often!)

Odyssey: First: I thought I asked you to cool down. I highly recommend you to do so. PRONTO.

Second: The thing I said about the MSX scene being rotten was a -joke- because I don't have the feeling the MSX scene is rotten at all. Sure, some people don't like each other. Some of the greatest rock bands on earth consisted out of people absolutely hating each other. That doesn't make those bands (let alone rock music in general) rotten does it? (no Johnny Rotten jokes now, please)

Third: You are insinuating quite a lot on the MRC today. If we had a cover-up policy don't you think the 73 reactions to this newspost would have been deleted, including the newspost itself? The people who published the chatlogs are not even part of the MRC. Get your facts straight, man! Last but not least, if the MRC has a problem with someone else (man, company or website) we try to settle things in private, contacting the people who are really involved. You could learn from that. Before you start replying: I'd be the first to admit we are not flawless. Thank God we aren't. But at least we're trying to learn from the past.