Chatlogs MSXposse and MSX Music Editor chat nights

Hey, you announced the chat night, so it should be completed with released chat logs.

I guess you're right, though these chat nights were announced as being special. For that reason the chatlogs were released.

{moderated}Please respond in English on our English website. The Dutch website can be found at http://nl.msx.org {/moderated}

Thanks for responding in English Now please calm down and read your e-mail.

Well Bart, I have already done en send you a mail back. I think you guys make a big mistake. So, remove the links to the logs and were finished, otherwise you get it very busy.

We don't add logs. The logs aren't hosted on the MRC servers at all. We also didn't make them or something like that.

I don't get it... First you announce a chat night, and then you don't want anyone to read it?
Or do you just want to hide your childish behaviour of last night?

Well mr. Beevendorp, that's really fine. So you have a big problem. I will start a trail and ask your provider to decree in this case.

This is not done and very childisch also to put logs online without asking. msx.org is also responsible, because they place links. I'm not the only one that is angry about this. If you're have any symphaty, you remove these logs. But I guess you don't because you are a asshole. So I think you have a big problem.

Well, who is the fool right now {moderated}? I remember you have problems in the past with resource center. Remember this:'GuyveR800: They try to keep up appearances of being a community site, but in
reality MRC turned into a hypocrite, elitist group, who try to cover up
things that make them look bad. Now, because they know I'm right, they
are trying to cover up me. '

So know you say to me that i'm a fool? You are so hypocrite! And what I say here has nothing to do with publisch chatlogs. If you're smart, you know what I mean! But I stop this conversation, because it won't help.

msx.org is over and finished for me. Good luck to yourselves. Stupid idiots and fools you are. I know everthing about the diss of msxposse.com and that you guys call us msxpussy.com. Very childisch. Why you don't say this right in my face? You guys think are the master, and so good. But the guys who do this are very foolish.

{mod}Please say whatever you feel you need to say, but let's not start 'calling-names' mmkkay?{/mod}

Due to above 'request' the file is removed from the server.

I kinda agree with MSXPUS..eh POSSE (sorry I can't remember anybody ever joked (without smilies?) about that. nobody hates or dislikes you man!) concerning putting up chat logs; should have been cleared I quess (although personally I don't have a problem with this ish)
Before putting such logs online next time, ASK the ppl involved please (just to skip this b.s.)

Now, Possedude, please do the ten counts and 'ave one (you know what) before putting any more rants'n swears here. Right kids, flaming's bad mm'kay (get it posse? hint: southpark)

g'night.. gone sleeping.. (yeah I know it's early but gotta a wake up call at six am ..as every day)

lchalog=chatlog

@ GuyveR800: The reason is removed because it was in dutch. The reason you can find above (reaction @ ro). And the comment about msxpussy is done in private area on this board. So people who don;t have right can;'t read this. But googlebot will.

@Bart: I think we never get a consensus about this. But I know more than you think.... So let's finish this conversation. I have nothing to tell you anymore. You have read my mail. And that's it. It's over and i'm finished with you and msx resource center. You know why and the reason.

I will thank BiFi to show some respect. Thanx dude!

Goodbye Bart, sleep well

childish...

Well, what DoS attack you're talking about then?

I deliberately removed all hostnames from the chatlogs because of privacy reasons. I doubt anyone would get his/her connection hacked due to these logs.

If you publicly announce a meeting or fair, people would like to know how it was, what was new, who were there, etc. I think the same goes for publicly announced chats on public channels.

One more thing. There will become more chatlogs available of publicly announced chats. However, only then they will be available on request only. How? You'll have to wait until the next publicly announced chat.

That's all I want to say about it.

Telling people that they must die is a bit harsh.

ne=be

@thom: you must read what I say! I sad that people that irritates other people and show no respect must die! Why you pull my words out of the context?

People like BiFi and GuyveR800 must know that they can't do everything. I have noticed that the MG-ray spy-bot is removed. I think also that BiFi and GuyveR800 must be banned from #msx because they damage the scene. They make enemies, are clamorous, irritate people, and that is not good for the scene.

Also, you might want to refrain from the death threats, before I go to the police.

jeeez 39 rant-reactions just because of a logfile .. the world is on fire, we're in an economical snakepit, terrorists scare the shit out of ppl, Bush is into war, several countries start nuclear programs while they shouldn't ... ergo, tons of crap, and here we find 39 reactions about a f*^%*ing logfile from a public chatchannel? I mean, there were no secrets in it, right? no patented stuff, no challange-ideas that could be stolen, .. just zippo!

Figure this, the ppl who might even be interested in reading that log are prolly the same ppl that would've been on #msx regulary anyway .. so what's the big deal? What if all the 6 ppl who read the logfile were on that channel anyway? Perhaps they were on holiday and wanted to read the log later..? Anyway.. feel what you feel, but avoid ranting.. and for ^%# sake, get a life.

@ Wolff: You said that I mean, there were no secrets in it, no patented stuff, no challange-ideas that could be stolen, .. just zippo!

Well, If you understand this, why is it so important for BiFi and GuyveR800 to place it online, put it on the mailinglist etcetera? I don't get this. I think because these people are dumb and think they can make everything in the scene. They tink are tough with this, but I think not.

@ odyssey: well basicly I think Bifi & Guyver have brains.. And they use them well.. I think Bifi & Guyver are a good addition to the MSX scene.. Aswell as you are (however I'm getting more and more mixed feelings atm by the 'odyssee')

I don't really know what yer goal is atm.. the things are removed... And if there are no secrets/ patented stuff/ ideas etc.. why the whole remarks stuff against Bifi & Guyver?

@GuyveR800: That's a very bad suspicion! And I tell you, i'm not affraid for anything because I and msxposse or either my friends has nothing to do with hacking. I think you are try to make a accusation to me and msxposse. Too bad. I'm not so childish to do such things like hacking. I'm fighting you with words, not with such of things.
Ask your provider to search for these bastards who has dos attacked and hacked your pc. If it's true, then these bastards have a big problem because such of things are illegal. I think somebody is trying to stir up the whole thing. Or you are lie about this.

Well, I think Bifi & Guyver got the message though.. There's like 55 messages in this thread.. so do the math.. And these logs are removed from MRC

And this was my last reaction on this newsthread (newspost2201.html *blocked* from my cpu..) .. Period...

@msxposse and friends : there are cheap dildos nowadays, you could buy one or more without having to request money to you parents and finaly get some enjoyment with life.

"@h-war: I think you are a big dildo to, with BiFi and GuyveR800! Lame, and childish!"

Oh god you can't even properly read and write a nickname !
By the way you must spell like this " I think you are a big dildo TOO "

How could we expect peoples with such bad english skills to understand things accurately ? Each time you make an answer everyone can't stop laughing at you ! All i have to do now is keeping you posting here so it brings us more fun HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Whether or not I react is my choice. My server was attacked today and I have the logs to prove it... But those are logs that are not freely available.

@Bifi: send the log to the abuse department of your provider. That's only the way to get the truth. I have nothing to do with hacking, msxposse and the rest also. So i'm not affraid for anything. So stop to make a accusation to me, msxposse or my friends till you get the truth!

I invite people to discuss about it on http://www.msxposse.com. You are welcome!

Rather do it here in [offtopic] (if that's ok with MRC ? )

That saves us from signing-up and having another username+password to remember, and you'll have less troubles dealing with more than 10 active members.

Yeah wolff I know that you are think being the king. But what have you proof than some easy covers of numbers? You are not so creative as I thought. People like Poisonic has proof to being creative, you not! So good luck with being the "king" and exclude people from the scene. This is hapenning for many years. That's why the scene is so rotten. This is because people like you.

I ask nobody being forced to come to msxposse.com That's your own decision! I only Invite. So your negative reaction that you have another username and discuss with 10 people is very childish. I don't want people like you on msxposse. Only people who has some respect and take risk to create new things and discuss about the scene. Not people who think they are the king because they have written some covers and give other people no change to proof themself. You and some people lead to this, so you can stay on the 'top' but are so blind and foolish. You are fooling yourself with this. Too bad.

That's why there are a slight of peope in the scene. Because of this.

I think the scene is rotten because of people yelling 'the scene is rotten' all the time for no particular reason whatsoever.

Really guyz, I really think you should all count to ten (or one hundred), take a cup of tea and cool down about this. There were two chatnights, MRC reported about both, the logs were put online, MRC reported about it, people got angry, MRC refused to take the newspost offline (which has nothing to do with backing GuyveR up but has all to do with 'freedom of press'. We only reported about it, we did not host it) and the matter was solved by taking the logs offline after all. Case closed, if you ask me.

@IC: Well, that I use stamps is because people ask for it. A reaction like wollf about msxposse is what I talking about. And I think you can't read, because I sad GuveR800 and BiFi are dumb because the logs. Guver has placed also the stuff on msx.com.sys so this is not a little stupid you think? And Guver has also some wrangle with other people in the past.

Muzax 2 & 3, so what? Now this stuff is holy or something? Give me a break, pfff *pingel pingel * (sound of some horrible psg piano), I think you can discuss about taste. Experience by covering tracks?

I'm not jealousy, i'm angry because the attitude of some people.

Yeah you see a negative reaction... ohhh.. and how this is happening you think? Maybe because of some negative reactions also? Or you only wanna read what you want to read like some people here like wolff and you! So I suggest that you look in the mirror also. Maybe you are to ugly, so good luck!

The goal? pff after several of hours you don;t understand it. So who is dumb right know?

@Snout: So because some people say what they wanna say and will talk about the scene are rotten? Well okay, now i'm know this... So cover-up the case. That's what you want because the people who damaged the scene is part of the mrc. Very smart

You don't wanna lose your face and are afraid for the truth. Yeah, cover-ip the case man! "goed bezig herman! stop alles maar in de doofpot!" Now is everything fucked up and I must sit in the garden and count down. But if there is something with mrc and somebody make a mistake, people who have the mistake have a big problem. And then you of the mrc are so cowardly to be inpleasant to those people like treating and stuff. Hypocrite you are!

Well.. You'r first goal was to get those logs removed? right.. But now we are like 40 posts in advance.. And still this goes on and on.. with what goal.. Could you even name it?

And one more thing: I'm not dumb!

quote]ws actually hesistating to post that remark, because I knew I would blow a bomb then point me to poisonic tunes and I'll give my *honest* comments..
btw.. we've gone through this one before.. which resulted in a ban for you! So, be wise and give it a rest. [/quote]

I can't remeber that I have a ban. I think you are mean somebody else. Not me!

Uh, pardon me? if anyone has questions I can answer, then I'll do.. recently I spent some while with meits helping him out with mbwave/sample-editing. Few years ago I assisted chao5 traveling all the way to amsterdam and groningen to advice him on buying a piano (+ lessons).. there're more ppl who I've helped.. so you might want to take your words back.

Yeah, I remember the negative reactions about the music of Poisonic and other people who wite music you don;t like. I have ears and eyes to hear and see everything. Don't play the untainted man. So what you wanna say? because bought a piano you are so good and I must take my words back? pff, this is so arrogant!

So, do you know what impression you made here? Only ranting and ranting. And when I read all the BS about devcon on msxposse then it's pretty clear to me that you really don't have any self-reflection. Do you ever join any other forum outside posse and MRC? If no, then do so, it'll teach you some communication lessons. You didn't get that ban for nothing, last year.

yeah, there are so much other boards that are so active. No, it is what you say, stay on mrc. So I don't get you to make a comment about other sites. You don't care, because you made a insinuation that mrc is the only site. And ehh ban? What ban you talking about? Or you have dream about it? No, I dream about beautifull womans. You dream about that Odyssey gets a ban...... So, you get a big cock about a ban? wow!


don't worry!

Be happy! A big hit in 1988 from Bobby MCFerrin! Ohno, what I talking about. You only know your own numbers....


How old are you? Were you already walking around on this planet in the early-scene? You really think I only do covers ? (press [back] and scroll to the top of the frontpage)

Oh yeah, now Wolff is gonna compare me. This is so easy man. "how old are you?", no you're wrong, because age doesn't matter! But i'm 27.


ah.. *ahum* lesson learnt

In fact I hope so.

- I hope you have learn that Wolff is not god, Omega is god.
- I have given you a hit fact about Bobby MCFerrin
- A ban is a-sexual

Good luck!

funny: quote from posse "Be happy! A big hit in 1988 from Bobby MCFerrin! Ohno, what I talking about. You only know your own numbers...."

While you were SWEARING wolf only did covers... hmm, funny

I can't remeber that I have a ban. I think you are mean somebody else. Not me!
quite possibly .. but I'm sure you know the lad quite well

Yeah, I remember the negative reactions about the music of Poisonic and other people who wite music you don;t like.

Can't remember anyone else but poisonic tho .. and iirc I really wasn't hard in that topic (there were some who were way more negative!) and I'm quite open to all kinda music actually. from gothic to classical, from soundtracks to trance, from pop to electronical.. It's quite hard to come up with something I really don't like .. but indeed.. hardcore is not really in my shopping-cart

I have ears and eyes to hear and see everything. Don't play the untainted man. So what you wanna say? because bought a piano you are so good and I must take my words back? pff, this is so arrogant!

I'm just pointing out that I'm either helping ppl who ask for it, or offering help randomly.

yeah, there are so much other boards that are so active. No, it is what you say, stay on mrc. So I don't get you to make a comment about other sites. You don't care, because you made a insinuation that mrc is the only site. And ehh ban? What ban you talking about? Or you have dream about it? No, I dream about beautifull womans. You dream about that Odyssey gets a ban...... So, you get a big cock about a ban? wow!
You don't need to whine twice about the same ban-remark. And 50% of your posts are written so badly that it's unreadable, the other 50% is simply insulting. I simply asked you if you ever attend some other forum, (non-computer-related for example) because your communiction/style sucks eggs.

Be happy! A big hit in 1988 from Bobby MCFerrin! Ohno, what I talking about. You only know your own numbers....

*bidibidibidibidi*

because age doesn't matter!
funny.. if age doesn't matter, where does the term 'childish' come from then?


- I hope you have learn that Wolff is not god, Omega is god.
I'm sure omega is laughing his ass of now (hi omega, cya @ bussum!)

- A ban is a-sexual

uhm .. yeah.. ..

(????)

i not post before... but after read 74 reactions posts!!! i will post some comments.....


i think or i get the impression than this guy "posse" iirc, go angry since much before, and this one was "the drop that spilled the glass". But , i not understand how a man can keept his angry feels too much time inside and not to forgive if there is something to forgive.

in another hand this is not the correct place to take out all his bad feeling....

and the DoS is not a good method .

does that count as an official record?

funny: quote from posse "Be happy! A big hit in 1988 from Bobby MCFerrin! Ohno, what I talking about. You only know your own numbers...."

While you were SWEARING wolf only did covers... hmm, funny

So that's why I say this, because it's polysemic and says something about covers. Get it?

MRC WROTE: Odyssey, let me refresh your memory: you were banned from the MRC on October 24th, 2003 after making your first appearance on the MRC flaming about everyone in your sight. Whether or not you had your reasons back then, whether or not you have your reasons now: you are not acting very differently at the moment. If you intend to only come back here to insult people, let me know. It'll be my pleasure to ban you. The user account on the MRC gives you the right to post reactions on other newsposts and to join or start discussions in our forums. Perhaps if you'd show your face around there more often, in a less insulting mood, people will cut you some slack. For now, all the MRC visitors have seen you doing is badmouthing quite a lot. I suggest you let this topic go. The chatlogs were removed, you win, case closed. There's no point in discussing these matters any further unless you want a fight. If you're only out for fights, the MRC is not the place for you.


Well, I can remember the ban is dissolved because this was not the reason. The reason was that you tought that I put some flaming under another name on your board. After talking about this via email, you have seen your mistakes and rectify this! So get your facts clear before reacting!!
And hey, because I have a opinion and discuss about the scene and pull open the slurry pit now I must watch out? Oh, yeah, I know some people think i'm the bad guy. But after start this discussion i see more and more people agree with me and tell about the slurry pit in this scene! So, maybe i'm not wrong?! Think about it.
Now that the case is gonna be hard i must watch out or else I get a ban? Thats very cowardly.

WOLFF WROTE: Can't remember anyone else but poisonic tho .. and iirc I really wasn't hard in that topic (there were some who were way more negative!) and I'm quite open to all kinda music actually. from gothic to classical, from soundtracks to trance, from pop to electronical.. It's quite hard to come up with something I really don't like .. but indeed.. hardcore is not really in my shopping-cart


Well, I have read other things and Poisonic was very very angry about your behaviour. And not only Poisonic. Don't play the innocent, be straight. And yes you're right about that you can't comming up with something you don't like, but that gives not the right to criticize other music and people who wrote it. But you did. I don't like playing yes/no games. But it's true what I said and other people confirm this. You came with the comment about muzax, but hey, there are more people that had wrote some music. What about Robert Vroemisse then? He has different nicknames (Roopblock was one). I have never hear a positive remark about this guy that has mean so much for the scene and some people under-appreciate thus guy. Too bad. And so there are more guys who don't get the respect, because you think that you are everything. Yes, you have something mean for the scene, but you are NOT THE ONLY ONE! Right?

WOLFF WROTE: You don't need to whine twice about the same ban-remark. And 50% of your posts are written so badly that it's unreadable, the other 50% is simply insulting. I simply asked you if you ever attend some other forum, (non-computer-related for example) because your communiction/style sucks eggs.

Well if my communication/style is so bad, why you react? Why you read it anyway? I think you better shut your mouth? You said about my style being so bad, but you also jeering. So what's the difference? Oh I get it, because I make grammatical mistakes i'am a kind of subordinate guy, pff come on! It's about the substance, not about my grammatical mistakes. You know what I mean, you understand me, otherwise you won't react on this thread.

*sings the troll song*

Arrh, leave it already. Pointless, annoying, and stupid to continue on this.

Well, I have read other things and Poisonic was very very angry about your behaviour. And not only Poisonic. Don't play the innocent, be straight.

fact 1: in the original thread poisonic was asking for opinions..
fact 2: I was the least 'negative' .. I just said it wasn't really up my boulevard
fact 3: old cows!

Gimme an overview of those ppl then ("not only poisonic.." etc.) If I ever said something out-of-line to them, I'll apologise to them personally, but I think you're again talking nonsens. Besides .. you can't change certain things. At my study (musictechnology) we had a teacher who once had to tell some female-student from Canada that she did a poor job on some homework. She started crying.. and you know what? I liked it. Because it was what it was. One giving critics to someone else without acting. I really *hate* acting. So, when someone asks me for an opinion I simply give my opinion. I think that's worth more than the other 100+ ppl who always say 'nice' even it they think it's birdfood. I guess they like acting .. well, I don't. However, if I can contribute with tips etc, I'd do it also, that's the positive side of the story.

And yes you're right about that you can't comming up with something you don't like, but that gives not the right to criticize other music and people who wrote it.

I'm trained to do everything that I'm asked for. You're only talking about your hardcore & stuff, if only you knew what weird crap I had to do on my study. ("make action music for a fastpaced Kodak-commercial using 1 cello, 1 violas and 2 violins" I assure you that it sucks eggs!)

What about Robert Vroemisse then?
omg.. even more ppl in the arena, it's getting cosy here

Too bad. And so there are more guys who don't get the respect, because you think that you are everything. Yes, you have something mean for the scene, but you are NOT THE ONLY ONE! Right?

owwwwwww *shutup* Are you now complaining about me or the whole msx-scene? If ppl want to be reckognised (respect is such a big word), then let them simply release something.. send it to j-war for his msx-tribe (or host it yourself), send a newspost about it to MRC. That's all. I'm reading MRC for about 2..3 years now, I know R.V. only from 3 occasions: 1: he became 2nd in that ROM music-compo that *I* organised, 2: he did Bombaman tunes/gfx, and 3: I met him after a while in Tilburg'04 again, we had a nice talk about gfx .. nothing music-related actually. So.. I can't say that MRC is flooded with ppl like R.V. and prolly all those other ppl you're talking about. I don't mind that actually, but you're talking about recognision for ppl that I don't even know (well)! So, tell all your budies to release stuff so that all ppl get to know their stuff. And no, I don't have intentions to visit any other site than MRC for the moment.
Anyway.. this whole stuff is kinda OT anyway.


Well if my communication/style is so bad, why you react? Why you read it anyway? I think you better shut your mouth?

because you keep insulting

You said about my style being so bad, but you also jeering. So what's the difference?

Well, serious.. I can't make cheese form some of your lines

Oh I get it, because I make grammatical mistakes i'am a kind of subordinate guy, pff come on! It's about the substance, not about my grammatical mistakes. You know what I mean, you understand me, otherwise you won't react on this thread.

fact 1: 50% of your text is hard to read, but I don't have a problem with that... it's just that I can't make cheese out of it
fact 2: the other 50% is insulting/ranting.. <-- that's the real problem!

I think you ARE the slurry pit.

There's nothing wrong with the scene, except that you are a part of it. (Yes you are, and no you're not being ignored)

If you wouldn't shout so much and call people names 'n stuff, maybe you'd get some respect too... But respect is EARNED, not CLAIMED.

Oh, in that case I shut my mouth. We don't talk about your fights with people in the scene (I have hear so much about it, but I can't remember... Strange, isn't it? LOL ! ) The people who know about your fights are smart and think over again. They know better, and are not suprised there is a fight again where you being part of!

I shut my mouth and take my words back, because I have nothing mean for the scene because it was a small-scale. I don't tell people about my support to TCI magazine, DTC magazine, and other things behing the fence.

Why?

Because it's not important to me to have a big mouth and telling that I have something mean for the scene. I like to do things behind the fence, and see products and things growing and has some little succes. I like to help people, like to help people with litle things. I don't have to be a big king. I like to enjoy the whole MSX scene. So because I did not big things i'am a undervalue guy? It's the little things that matters to me. The big guys may do there own things, thats also good.

But I get angry if people start a cowardly discussion about what I have mean for the scene. Well, thanks for that, but I don't care anymore. I start the discussion about the rotten scene and the arrogance of some people, behaviour, not the discussion about what I mean for the scene! This is so easy, everybody is similar, then people gonna compare. Pffff.. [cynical mode} "yeah I am so better because I have write this and that! And you have did something else! Okay something for the scene but not that thing what is so cool and good!!" ... [/cynical mode]

As I already sad, everybody is special. If you do a big thing or a small thing, you do something. Taht's important! Not the big king talk!

There's an insult-compo in Monkey Island great game btw!

Mensen die de kleine dingen doen of achter de schermen werken en verder nergens om vragen worden ondergewaardeerd.
Yet you are here demanding respect!
What do you mean, you don't ask for nothing?
What do you mean you're underappreciated? What happened to make you think you're underappreciated?

Hahaha... er... so... sad... -_-;;

(Ro: getting there!)

100 !

Aha, so you DID hack the MRC!

Translation: "Oh and uh: http://www.msxposse.com. So you can jerk off on pussies, because aren't we known as msxpussy.com to some people? Quickly removed from the private area. Yeah right, as if it's strange Google can't find it anymore, hahaa!!"

Excuse me, so he has somehow been reading the private internal forums of msx.org?


~Grauw

hoer A!! ben gebanned!

it's " Grauw " by the way but thanks for the fun, we are all watching you exactly as if you were a monkey in a zoo except a monkey would do less typos of course hahahaha.
can stop laughing it's absolutely amazing !!!

Yeah, how come you have no username visible in that post above...

Hey ! It's "moNkey"...
Me tarzan, you jane

Thanks for spotting a minor security hole, Odyssey. By now you probably figured out we fixed it.

plz, ban sander !

_wolf: how do you know that ? you aren't there are we being logged again )

120!


it's all sorted out @ #msx now ..

122 !

And that's where all the action is