Letter to Microsoft to open-source MSX Bios and MSX Basic

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بواسطة MäSäXi

Paragon (1884)

صورة MäSäXi

08-02-2011, 11:58

There is still software development for this standard, too

Should that part be mentioned like this:

"Even the whole MSX standard including every MSX computer generation died commercially between 1990-1993, there is still software development for this standard, too......"

Not the best wording, but I mean, I think it should be mentioned, that everything MSX computer ever meant, it has been ALL DEAD at least twenty years. Nobody (except we freaks, of course....) common people cares about such old thing. (except copyright holders, of course) Such mentioning, that every MSX generation has died decades ago, that may help them to get less money greedy.....

If you just point them, that software IS STILL MADE for that old system, they may smell money...... and that may be bad for us. I know, that it is a very little market (worldwide), but you have also mentioned that there are lots of MSX users around the world, so I think it should be mentioned that all MSX generations are DEAD and have been that for two decades now.

That was what I thought,
-MäSäXi- Smile

بواسطة Tanni

Hero (556)

صورة Tanni

08-02-2011, 13:44

Thanks, luppie, for pointing out that e-mail address.

As for the lines of code, I'm not that pessimistic. The software in question isn't that large, compared to todays programms, so even if they would charge a fee, it won't be very much.

بواسطة Tanni

Hero (556)

صورة Tanni

08-02-2011, 13:53

Probably no-one at Microsoft in junior positions will know about what a Z80 is. Therefore, maybe would be better to just say "8-bit homecomputer" instead. Please keep in mind that several legacy systems are still highly profitable for big companies, so it would be a good a idea to separate the MSX from these other high-profit market niches.

Pitpan, you contradict yourself. People usually know about the things they draw money form. And they surely know about the Z80, because it's a famous processor still in use in some devices, in an updated version, of course.

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Hero (556)

صورة Tanni

08-02-2011, 14:30

There is still software development for this standard, too

Should that part be mentioned like this:

"Even the whole MSX standard including every MSX computer generation died commercially between 1990-1993, there is still software development for this standard, too......"

Not the best wording, but I mean, I think it should be mentioned, that everything MSX computer ever meant, it has been ALL DEAD at least twenty years. Nobody (except we freaks, of course....) common people cares about such old thing. (except copyright holders, of course) Such mentioning, that every MSX generation has died decades ago, that may help them to get less money greedy.....

If you just point them, that software IS STILL MADE for that old system, they may smell money...... and that may be bad for us. I know, that it is a very little market (worldwide), but you have also mentioned that there are lots of MSX users around the world, so I think it should be mentioned that all MSX generations are DEAD and have been that for two decades now.

That was what I thought,
-MäSäXi- Smile

I think not! The first part is to explain MSX as concise as possible to an Microsoft employee probably not knowing what these letters stand for, without any judgement about its current state.

The MSX standard includes all versions of that standard, of course, so your proposal is redundant.

I don't like to call a computer standard ''dead'', even if it isn't of commercial interest anymore. I don't like to write manipulative letters either, I want to be as objective as possible. I think that's the most straightforward and hence the best way.

Again, ''still hard- and software development'' and ''system dead'' is a contradiction in itself. I can well imagine that there could be some ''retro-fiever'' someday leading to a considerable reproduction of at least the most outstanding homecomputer systems. Things can be en vogue! This wouldn't affect the use of contemporary systems, of course, it would still be a hobby.

The best thing to get money-greedy is to get much money. The more you get, the more greedy you get. With systems like MSX, you surely can't make much money anymore. The software made for MSX is 8-bit software far below the level of current and future software standards. I think it would be a great gesture if Microsoft would accept our wishes. It is good for the image to give things of the past into the hands of those people who would like to care about and preserve it. Otherwise, things will just catch dust. Microsoft can feel good about giving these software into the hands of those who still appreciate it. I think the homecomputer era was a very special era and we should preserve as much as possible.

The statement, that there is still software developement, too, is needed because otherwise, our letter would be somewhat pointless.

بواسطة Tanni

Hero (556)

صورة Tanni

08-02-2011, 15:23

Correction:

I don't think so! The first part is to explain MSX as concise as possible to an Microsoft employee probably not knowing what these letters stand for, without any judgement about its current state. ...

بواسطة Manuel

Ascended (18694)

صورة Manuel

08-02-2011, 18:47

Note that if the license consists of paying any kind of fee, it is useless for openMSX or anyone else to spread it with their emulators.

بواسطة Vampier

Prophet (2392)

صورة Vampier

08-02-2011, 19:20

MSX == MS-Xbox?

بواسطة FiXato

Scribe (1733)

صورة FiXato

09-02-2011, 01:57

Note that if the license consists of paying any kind of fee, it is useless for openMSX or anyone else to spread it with their emulators.
But if along with it being licensed for a fee, the source+documentation will also be released, could that still help C-Bios development?

بواسطة pitpan

Prophet (3151)

صورة pitpan

09-02-2011, 08:23

Probably no-one at Microsoft in junior positions will know about what a Z80 is. Therefore, maybe would be better to just say "8-bit homecomputer" instead. Please keep in mind that several legacy systems are still highly profitable for big companies, so it would be a good a idea to separate the MSX from these other high-profit market niches.

Pitpan, you contradict yourself. People usually know about the things they draw money form. And they surely know about the Z80, because it's a famous processor still in use in some devices, in an updated version, of course.

I don't contradict myself, Tanni. I say that MSX is not of these profitable business computers. I was thinking that old legacy mainframes are still in operation (of course not Z80-based) and keep a significant share of the total profits for some companies. I think that any administrative clerk at Microsoft - the people that will receive and read our letter - under 30 probably won't know/won't care about what a Z80 is. Therefore I just suggested this just to make sure that they understand that this is a totally different segment and that there isn't any chance of profitability in such a market.

بواسطة Tanni

Hero (556)

صورة Tanni

09-02-2011, 15:25

Note that if the license consists of paying any kind of fee, it is useless for openMSX or anyone else to spread it with their emulators.
But if along with it being licensed for a fee, the source+documentation will also be released, could that still help C-Bios development?

The sentence that quote originally pertains to was meant to point out that a fee will not that high, anyway.

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