#msxdev MSX 30th Anniversary Meetup in Amsterdam

It's a nice location indeed, we considered it for Event Eleven as well

Well, the MSX standard was announced on june 27th 1983. Can't change that date, can we? I think it's a great initiative. Gonna drink some beers to the occasion myself as well

Yes, the plan was to meet up on the exact date of the anniversary. It started with just a few from #msxdev (since we talked about meeting up sometimes for a while now and this seemed to be the perfect date), but we thought it would be nice if we turned it into something public, so that other people can join as well

(Btw thanks for editing out the part about the big screen. )

Why do you assume that Paulbrk?
I'm probably be attending to, and if there are people there who only understand English, I don't mind speaking English at all.
Dutch people generally know English well (or at least well enough for having a conversation) and don't mind (or are even proud of) speaking it with those who don't speak Dutch. (Up to a point that it can actually be detrimental to foreigners who are trying to learn Dutch because the Dutch will keep on switching to English instead of giving them the chance to hear/learn Dutch...)

I know that duch people speak english very well. best regards and have a good day in the meeting.

Me and the MSX users of Málaga will meet on saturday 29 to play and celebrate the MSX 30th Aniversary.

We have a big event later, on 12, 13 and 14 July, celebrating the 30th Aniversary of MSX too. (sorry, this time is in spanish).
http://www.gamepolis.org/web/?p=3002

Phew, I'm glad you have such consideration with us MRC admins, Guyv! Thank you for saving our face, you're a true friend!

Did I do it again? Did I earn candy?

I know it's night, but I'm really somewhat in the dark here about this line:
"Unfortunately I wasn't able to organize an event similar to MSX 25th Anniversary Event."

And the line following that suggests one or more MRC members have anything to do with that.

So, to recap: you wanted to organize something along the lines of Den Dolder, which was basically a meeting/fair the size of contemporary MSX meetings (e.g. Nijmegen, didn't measure lengths, but it appeared similar to me). 'Similar' as in (I think) "doesn't need to be in Den Dolder again". I guess closer to A'dam, judging your location. You may have to book such a place ahead for a few months, but nothing radical (and this day would've been on your schedule for months or even years I guess).

And... then you couldn't organize that?! Your phone broke down? Got no internet for a week? There're no Occupy-groupies blocking the streets*. There are no volcanoes erupting, no earthquakes, no tsunamis, no planes crashing down on partly locations. And closer to MRC: I don't recall we've booked any of these fair-like locations in or near A'dam. We've no challenges running that require people or teams to stick at their computers during such an event. Long story short: what has happened so that you couldn't organize a Den Dolder-like meeting and what's our "supposed" part in that?

* Occupy A'dam actually started @ Event Eleven-day, do we still remember all that? Oooh the fun we had that day. ^^

No, Guyver800 wanted to organize an event but heard rumors about MRC organizing a 30 year msx event as well. Since two events would be lame, he choosed not to do it. But this mrc organized event hasn't been announced, so now the only thing he could do is organizing this, let's call it stripped down, meeting. Credits where credits are due.

Yes, celebrating something as epic as the 30th anniversary of MSX with not one but two parties would be overkill indeed.

I was not aware of that, and it would indeed have been nice to let you know the plans for an MRC event were coming along nicely, but that it would be held later this year. Either way, you must admit that contacting MRC yourself somewhere along the line would have been an option as well, right?

we're all busy people that sometimes let important things slip through our minds. Happens to the best of us, even to someone as awesome as Latok.

Quit whining... Every time there's a newspost with stuff you're involved with, you log in and make a fool of your narcistic little self. Shouting everybody is neglecting you, while they don't. Sometimes I wish you were neglected and forgotten... Without your stupid bashing a lot of people wouldn't have left the MSX scene...

Spoken on my own behalf. I simply have enough of your childish behaviour.

Edit: Feel free to press the moderator alert button..

What? I've coordinated with you, you made promises and didn't uphold them, and then YOU bring up old cows and accuse me of doing it?

The first thing you did was try to ridicule me! You call me names and continue your anti-GuyveR800 campaigns...
I took the steps to coordinate with you, you screwed the community over. THAT is the tree here. Simple and stand-alone. It has little to do with the past, but apparently you are stuck in it.

You're the ones being childish and pathetic here. Just like Rieks, you're ignoring the facts and trying to hide them with irrelevant crap.

heh

That's it. Definately moving over to Sega development now. I decide to come back here and this is what I find. I don't need this and I've had enough. Thanks a lot!

Why so much drama in a community site about classic/gaming systems?

It sounds to me like there is a serious beef between some people here. Perhaps this dirty laundry shouldn't be washed in public... Just sayin

[insert popcorn eating gif here]

It wasn't me who did that.

Apparently you need a history lesson. The two camps were inside of MRC, then someone switched sides, and I've been made the scapegoat ever since.

Just like gays and pedophiles you mean?

I'll use the judgement of people who actually know me, instead of indoctrinated folks like you.

(cont.)

NEKHOCMVICH: "you do know GradskiReader thought the world of you."

Ethan Woomb: "He was quite a man. Did he know before the end you two had succeeded?

NEKHOCMVICH: "Yes, he knew. Just.."

Ethan Woomb: "..not in time to save him."

NEKHOCMVICH: "No. After you've lived with ChiDRMa for twenty hours, nothing can save you. Not
even...Bazix."

Ethan Woomb: "You carry them together? Safely?"

(apologies, couldn't help myself)

oh btw, its been 5 years, if not more.
just saying...

What better way to celebrate the 30th anniversary of MSX than with a mud sling fest?

Did not!
Did too!
Did not!
Did too!

Sheesh, grow up already, will ya?

Note that all the mud being slung is by MRC admins, or mud that I was specifically asked to throw because apparently they are such masochists.

At the time you said it wasn't yet clear whether or not the event would be around the 30th Anniversary date. This was the specific reason for letting us know about it!

Anyway, your apology is appreciated and accepted. As I said I never intended for things to blow up like this, but your fellow MRC admins do not have the same restraint. Of course you are welcome to join us thursday in Amsterdam.

I'm not someone that holds grudges, I prefer holding a beer. With you.

I feel a lot of anger in this room....

But seriously... moderating MRC, trying to bring the revival across the Japanese borders, GLC... -- I can sincerely say that I tried to make those work to the best of my abilities, and that's what you are attacking me on. I don't feel I 'screwed it up' although it is safe to say that I did not achieve what I hoped for with Bazix et al. I'm hurt by your conclusion that I frustrated the attempt to revive GLC, as I have tried to be as cooperative as possible, difficult enough as it was for me. The GLC project was my 'baby' too, as you know, and having to let go of it was not at all an easy thing to do.

So once again, (because I already stated that in the Yathzee thread): I'm sorry I didn't live up to your high expectations, GuyveR. This was the best I could do. If I could turn back time, there were a lot of things I would have done differently, but I'm afraid the results would not differ very much from where we are now. It was an amazing adventure, I learned so many things, and I failed. That's life.

And about that history lesson: I 'switched sides' because of your intolerable behavior and your intolerable behavior alone. There is only so much I can take from people, even close friends, and you went far beyond those limits. Repeatedly. You are not the only one who feels very deeply hurt about events that took place. I think it's safe to say I felt as much stabbed in the back by someone whom I considered to be a close friend as you did.

But I thought this had all been said and done already right here. Please GuyveR800, stop seeing evil in everything I/we do. Stop wasting time on this, because it will never heal your wounds. Focus on the great event you're going to hold in only a few days. Focus on the good things. Remember the good things. Allow new good things to happen.

GLC ..?

I didn't... I just said there was an unpleasant reason (with which I meant the broken promise). Then you guys dragged up old cows, attacking me for nothing and urging me to comment on the past.

There could have been 0 drama in this thread...

Ah ok. I think I read about all that.

As for woomb... That was never gonna work, licensing issues aside. Small audience, and DRM. Even excellent translated manuals could not save that.
Gamereader, too much of an obscure device,
and ultimately the OCM. Too expensive and limited commercial backing to make it anything more than a niche product.

I wholeheartedly agree that Woomb was destined for failure. We came very close to joining a Steam-like platform from a large American company on one side, and creating an 'App Store' for MSX games for Nokia Series 60 devices on the other (to be ported to other platforms sooner or later). Needless to say, both didn't happen. And that was indeed a shame.

MSX has many great arcade conversions. These have ample market potential, as do the Konami's (although I know the licensing would've been an issue, at least at first).

The trick to marketing to the general public is branding. Have your brand ("woomb" was not a good name, although insiders might appreciate the Project Egg reference in it) and leave out irrelevant crap.
Red Hat doesn't mention Linux on its front page, neither does Ubuntu.
In other words, you don't market "MSX", you market your own brand.

That said, I'm less pessimistic about MSX knowledge amongst gamers. If anything it's on the rise due to MESS/UME and increasing realisation of the true Metal Gear 1 and 2. Afterall, all Konami's rereleases have been the MSX versions, not the NES, so whole NEW generations of people have been brought up on them.
But probably you hang out in different places than me

noted.

@Samor: thanks for your nice comments on the WOOMB manuals! Appreciate it; it took a lot of time to translate and edit them.

Well, actually the 30th MSX anniversary was six years ago, so I believe that...technically speaking I'm already quite late! Cheers and regards! Anyway I'll wander around Amsterdam next June the 17-19th for dinner or a drink, ten days before next MSX anniversary!