Gradius on the MSX ? It is really Gradius ?!

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بواسطة Alex

Master (205)

صورة Alex

25-09-2008, 23:26

No, F-1 Spirit was the first SCC game. (According to that interview with the Konami developers which I can't find back anymore...)
I did not know this. Learned something new, 21 years after the release/copyright date of these two wonderfull games :-)

بواسطة mohai

Paladin (999)

صورة mohai

26-09-2008, 12:43

To complicate the story a little bit more:

http://www.arcadeflyers.com/?page=thumbs&db=videodb&id=722

If you have a look at the arcade flyer, you will discover a different story for the Nemesis game (where are the bacterions?)

I think Konami followed a different script to develop MSX versions and did not managed to make faithful conversions, but adding some extras (Bonus stages, more difficult here and there...).

بواسطة karloch

Prophet (2159)

صورة karloch

26-09-2008, 18:47

I always hated how the Gradius arcade versions didn't have actually "a script" with some background story, but well, it's perfectly understable for a cabinet arcade game. If you take a look arround, you'll see all the conversions of the arcade (for NES, C64, CPC, Spectrum, PC-Engine, SNES, etc...) are "direct" conversions and the MSX ones are the only who received a special treatment:

  • Created a background plot deeper that the ones for arcade, in a saga-like basis
  • Added bonus levels, special weapons or features not available on arcade (Nemesis 2 weaponary, Salamander Extended weapons, green ship in dual mode....)
  • Totally new feature: different endings for the story depending on what you do through the game (Salamander and Nemesis 3), very uncommon for shootem'ups.

Of course I think MSX versions are so different from arcade ones, but I also think they are way better, even better than the outstanding Gradius II conversion for PC Engine.

بواسطة JohnHassink

Ambassador (5655)

صورة JohnHassink

26-09-2008, 23:37

@mohai:

Captain Nemo, lost armada... Interesting stuff! Smile

بواسطة MäSäXi

Paragon (1884)

صورة MäSäXi

29-09-2008, 11:02

If you take a look arround, you'll see all the conversions of the arcade (for NES, C64, CPC, Spectrum, PC-Engine, SNES, etc...) are "direct" conversions

Are they really direct conversions?

I once tried Spectrum´s Salamander and it´s in-game weapon selection was totally different than what it is in MSX´s NEMESIS family.

Can´t describe it any better, as it´s so long since I tried Spectrum Salamander.... try and you´ll see what I mean.....

Does original Nemesis etc arcades have same in-game weapon selection as MSX has?

I have read from somewhere, that there are TWO DIFFERENT versions of Salamander arcades for different continents. One has same weapon system what MSX has and another has different weapon system what Spectrum has.

بواسطة cesco

Champion (453)

صورة cesco

01-10-2008, 15:09

Salamander (LIFE FORCE) is a different Konami brand... it has a completely different story, since it tells that you're actually fighting with your spaceship inside a living creature, and AFAIK it's not related at all with Nemesis (GRADIUS) apart from the spaceship that could be the old Vic Viper.

The original arcade version of Nemesis had only one way of upgrading your spaceship... no selection between ripple fire and laser, or between force field and helpers... just laser and that helpers globe that stands in front of the Vic Viper. You were supposed to play it with three buttons... one for firing, another one for choosing the upgrades and a third button for... throwing missiles Smile After then, AFAIK in every Gradius game when you have acquired the missiles powerup, the missiles are thrown while you are firing.

Don't worry BTW since you are in good company Smile for many years I believed that Salamander was the sequel of Nemesis Smile

BOTTOM LINE: If you own a Wii Console, love Gradius and live in Europe... don't miss the opportunity of buying "Gradius II" for the PC-Engine from the Virtual Console Channel. It's 9,00 Euro but you won't regret that Big smile

بواسطة karloch

Prophet (2159)

صورة karloch

01-10-2008, 23:18

Don't worry BTW since you are in good company for many years I believed that Salamander was the sequel of NemesisWell, in MSX, Salamander is indeed the sequel of Nemesis 2.Nemesis 3 intro also leaves that very clear Smile

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