Dumas - more information revealed

por konamiman en 22-04-2006, 17:38
Tema: Hardware

Konamiman and Daniel Berdugo have just revealed more information on the upcoming Dumas cartridge, which was announced in November 2005. Dumas is a three-in-one cartridge, offering Ethernet (ObsoNET), USB and a 512kB RAM mapper all in one.

The USB1.1 host controller was mainly designed to allow the use of USB based storage devices on MSX, but it can also be used for various other purposes. With several new BIOS function calls and even MSX-BASIC commands, developing MSX software that uses the USB functionality of Dumas becomes relatively simple. Combined with storage devices, you can even use FAT16 partitions and emulate Floppy Disk images in a way similar to ESE's MegaSCSI, which allows you to run even the most complicated sector-based software from a fast USB stick.

At the moment it is not yet clear when the Dumas cartridge will be finished, or what its price will be. As soon as more information becomes available, we will most definitely report about it.

Relevant link: Dumas information page

Comentarios (33)

Por djh1697

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22-04-2006, 20:04

This device is just so cool! Especially the USB storage devices. Well done on developing such a useful cartridge! The device list looks great, but is there any driver support going to be avaliable for things like say a mouse? or a printer?

I want to be the first to say well done! Although I am sure other people have expressed the same sentiment!

Por djh1697

Paragon (1410)

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22-04-2006, 20:11

I forget, another question, will the device work with any MSX? including MSX1 ?

Por BiFi

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22-04-2006, 21:19

I think integrating a slotexpander is way overkill. Users tend to insert it in a subslot of their slot expander and will be disappointed it doesn't work. Furthermore, people who have a bigger mapper really don't care much about 512KB.

I think it's very well possible to combine all required ROMs for this device into 1 using a MegaROM system.

Nonetheless... It'd be cool to be able to use USB on MSX, as well as re-release of Ethernet on MSX.


Paladin (1012)

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22-04-2006, 21:44

A slot expander with some USB ports would be niceWink

or just 1 FPGA with all msx harware built in for your msx Tongue

Por Manuel

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22-04-2006, 22:09

I agree with BiFi. I'd rather don't have the RAM, but have the possibility to put it in a slot expander.

Alternatively: make the RAM/slotexpander thing switchable?

Por boblet

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22-04-2006, 22:10

or even! an actual msx case with real msx bits in!! Tongue

I'm sure there's lots of unexpanded msx's out there, especially msx1's which of course are the main ones that exist in the sunny land I hail from so to me it looks good, especially if I can just plug in an usb floppy or ide device etc. Plus of course it's great for bargain basement bog standard minimum msx2s that come with no exciting features as standard.

Hopefully I shan't be completely brassic when we get the final price when there's things to buy Smile

Por Sousuke

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23-04-2006, 00:42

Also agree with BiFi, most people don't need those 512k, and I would also prefer to put that cart in a slotexpander, rather than in a primary. (hmm... maybe put up a poll? Wink)

How about a 'lite' version of DUMAS? Without the RAM? Tongue

Anyways, I'm already looking forward to the USB port! Also a nice idea to combine it with the ethernet-cart. It's really tha shiet! Big smile

Keep it up guys! Smile

Por Ivan

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23-04-2006, 02:06

That's not a problem at all. Just insert Dumas in one slot and the slot expander with the rest of the cartridges in the other slot.

Por msd

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23-04-2006, 02:53

ivan: And what if you want to use that other slot for a mapper. (512KB is nice, but not enough for everthing).

Por djh1697

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23-04-2006, 03:36

Why doesnt the different features have some sort of hardware or software switch? Turn on or turn off different features?

Por sunrise

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23-04-2006, 08:32

I would be basicly in favour to give it a mapper too. But indeed optional. Besides that i am curious about the chipset/chips used, since is it one chip, two of32 ,64 or whatever. I think there are cheaper chips of 4 MB or more what saves place on pcb.

Por poke-1,170

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23-04-2006, 13:18

wow,usb ! also great for doing back ups on your pc, between msx and pc

Por SaebaMSX

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23-04-2006, 16:48

I just want to ask you here... will everybody here use 2 slotexpanders at the same time in their MSX? Else I don't get the problem here having a cart which already has built in the slotexpander circuitry.

512KB is not enough? Just add another bigger mapper in the other slot/slotexpander.

Does not compass use all memory in all slots/subslots? Other programs can't do the same? Search all the connected memory and use it. Just code tools compatible with all that memory. Tongue

I think that it is a cartridge very useful for most of users. And more in our MSX world that people don't like "spend" their money in MSX goodies, you get 3 MSX carts in 1.

Just my 2 cents... Tongue

Por djh1697

Paragon (1410)

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23-04-2006, 17:03

It will present me with a problem. I use a Brazillian MegaRAM, SCC, Sunrise CF. My machine is a TurboR.

Problem - the SCC wont work in the same slot as a MegaRAM! If I use DUMAS I will not be able to use either the MegaRAM or the SCC at the same time. I use a DDX slot expander, apparently you are supposed to be able to use the SCC & MegaRAM together in that slot expander, a simple adjustment of the mini-pin jumpers should be able to do this, however, I have never got this to work - so yes it sould cause me a problem Sad

Por Ivan

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23-04-2006, 17:19

I do agree with SaebaMSX.

512 kB is more than enough. And I only plug my slot expander when I need it.

Anyway I'm sure that Nestor will be pleased reading your comments and suggestions to take them into consideration.

Por Ivan

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23-04-2006, 17:22

Anyway I'm sure that Nestor will be pleased reading your comments and suggestions to take them into consideration.

And of course Daniel Berdugo, the HW designer.

Por arnold_m

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23-04-2006, 18:34

If I understand the information about Dumas correctly, then the internal slot expander would also be needed for the combination USB+Ethernet and then it makes perfect sense to put in some memory as well. I will probably be quite happy with 512 KiB RAM, but people with larger memory expansions may disagree.

I'd say: Get a standard version (USB+Ethernet+RAM+software) working and into production first, and consider other possible combinations later.


Master (172)

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23-04-2006, 20:41

Agreed with Saeba´s words.DUMAS is an excpetional hardware !!!Can´t wait to have one!WinkWink

Por konamiman

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23-04-2006, 21:40

There is a forum post thread about Dumas, in the hardware section. What about continuing this discussion there? (just for the sake of organization)

Por Ivan

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23-04-2006, 21:44

Por selios2000

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23-04-2006, 22:20

DUMAS works! It is insane to try to say that the cartridge has not so good features.. come on, the idea is totally brilliant and it will be a "must have" for all users that have got so many slot expanders, so many ram, and for the others that don't want all that things things in their MSX but a only cartridge that contains very good and terribly useful hardware.

Por dvik

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24-04-2006, 01:16

Will it work in an MSX1? That would be sooo cool Tongue

Por msd

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24-04-2006, 08:07

The point is if you have a bigger mapper the 512KB of the dumas is not need and maybe even not wanted. And nobody can deside for me if 512KB is enough. I will deside that myself thank you very much Tongue

Por spl

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24-04-2006, 10:11

selios2000, I totally agree with you Big smile

Por msd

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24-04-2006, 11:43

And of course I agree that it is a great concept Smile

Por snout

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24-04-2006, 12:47

Actually I think it's very clever to integrate a 512kB mapper in Dumas, as everybody now knows that if someone has USB and/or Obsonet (ok, I'm neglecting the Obsonet cartridges that were already sold, I know), you can be damn sure that person has at least 512kB RAM as well... What I'm wondering is: can Obsonet also send his data to this 512kB memory 'straight away' to increase transfer speeds, or is this technically impossible? (/me no hardware dude)

Por Bastiaan

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27-04-2006, 09:38

What a cool device!!!! Keep us informed about the progress of this handy piece of hardware.

If I may suggest 1 more improvement: if there is already an internal expander: use the 4th subslot as well.
A megaRAM function might be easy to integrate (or maybe some other usefull funtion)

(to stick to the Alexandre Dumas story: in some eppisodes there are 4 musketeers)

Keep up the good work!

Por sinus

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29-04-2006, 13:32

The whole project is fantastic and the team's achievements are incredible, to say the least. Of course, ideally users may imagine further features but... this Dumas device already seems to be an -ideal- multi-feature device that opens doors to so many modern and upcoming devices. It seems that the whole thing does actually work. What about developing an USB-MSX Cartridge Reader driver for those who will miss the use of a slot? Tongue Just kidding...
Very nice job indeed, state of the art. I can't imagine this is MSX1 compatible though, pieces of software like the Robsy's WAVer brought many MSX1 back to life, I can't imagine plugging such a thing in a 1983 computer! Wink Nothing vital behind this but I confess I like the idea!

Por boblet

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01-05-2006, 14:54

I can imagine plugging this into a 1983 computer, just as much as I can plugging it into a 1990 computer. Smile

If it works with an msx1 I'll definately find the money to buy one somehow.

I just hope it doesn't end up costing something like $200 or so.

Por msxholder

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22-04-2012, 01:26

Had an whery nice informative talk about new hardware today in Maarsen
Witch brought a new collection of ideas !
I hope for new innovative cartridges.
What's the future bring us?

Por Manuel

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22-04-2012, 09:37

Unfortunately, it seems that Dumas has died.

Por spacemoai1973

Expert (96)

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22-04-2016, 21:22

So it was never brought out? What jammer Crying

Por mars2000you

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22-04-2016, 21:29

Even the info page has been removed ... Here's a copy on Web Archive :