Musical influences in MSX games topic

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13-05-2020, 21:03

Yeah sure, I was simply going on the title of the current table, which has various other entries with releases on other platforms. MobyGames has on LJ: 1985 released MSX, 1984 the other 2 platforms.

I believe David Whittaker has his roots in composing for C64. The ZX version has only sfx I believe. So based on year alone C64 is the original. I do wonder if DW did the MSX arrangements himself (same question in regard to Feud).

The Castle... I do (with some imagination more or less) hear some resemblance, but it's far from obvious to me.

-edit: Lazy Jones had 99 Luftballons however of course Smile (or is that only in the C64 version? The MSX has a different tune there. (Licensing issues?)) And I think there are some more references there, but I'm not sure about 'em.

https://youtu.be/szXlh9QvBd8 (e.g @ 2:01 ?) (Pretty good trip actually ;))
And too short! -> https://youtu.be/QoNtntPfJb0 :)

Por ren

Paragon (1887)

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13-05-2020, 23:13

Lolz0rz! Some guy actually pointed out in the comments that 2:01 is from Visage's Fade To Grey. (Not sure if that one's in the MSX version, I think, again, not?)

Por fondacio

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14-05-2020, 00:37

PAC wrote:

I have a feeling that the Red Lights of Amsterdam music comes from a famous one? Isn't it?

Can I reply to this after almost two years? The song is Big Spender, most likely the Shirley Bassey version. It is also used in Playhouse Strippoker.

Por TheKid

Paragon (1205)

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14-05-2020, 08:58

I swear that I hear sd-snatcher mirrorhouse tunes in this piece of music. Listen at about 19.25 into the song and tell me this ain't the mirror house.
mirrorhouse

Por Pac

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14-05-2020, 11:28

fondacio wrote:
PAC wrote:

I have a feeling that the Red Lights of Amsterdam music comes from a famous one? Isn't it?

Can I reply to this after almost two years? The song is Big Spender, most likely the Shirley Bassey version. It is also used in Playhouse Strippoker.

Of course! And thank you so much, I was searching for it since then. Here the video. :)

Por defdanny

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17-05-2020, 00:43

ren wrote:

Lolz0rz! Some guy actually pointed out in the comments that 2:01 is from Visage's Fade To Grey. (Not sure if that one's in the MSX version, I think, again, not?)

Hi Ren, it is definitely a very short quote of "fade to grey"... but it is not the very famous chorus of the song everybody knows.
Oh, and I just read through this thread back to 2013, when the Lazy Jones entry was discussed. I think the wiki entry should be corrected after 7 years now? The german techno track from 1999 is obviously NOT the origin of the 198x computer game main theme from LJ? I would like to change the entry for LJ in the way ren suggested: list the original songs (of the MSX version?), but delete the "Kernkraft 400" link...

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Paragon (1887)

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18-05-2020, 14:36

Looked at LJ some more. Also in the comments of aforementioned video, and this one is in the MSX version as well if I'm not mistaken: Blancmange - Living On The Ceiling (@1:11)

Btw, LJ has also been released, in 1985 as well, for the relatively unknown Tatung Einstein. As the TE is sharing the Z80, TMS9918 and AY-3-8910 with the MSX, my guess is these versions must have been developed in tandem and/or they're largely similar. TE gameplay. Does look similar to MSX, although remarkably(?) some sfx seems to differ.

Further, regarding the music, there's quite some discussion going on in the comments of https://youtu.be/eWxlYYA8yrg

So the Zombie Nation tune is actually Electronic Ensemble - It Happened Then (@0:54) (!)

Some top comment there also mentions US Cavalry Charge & Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Not sure about those myself, though a couple of other folks are backing up the latter reference.

Another commenter mentions first tune (main/'overworld' theme) <> Giorgo Moroder's Underdog.

Also mentioned: Bronski Beat - Smalltown Boy (for the tune @2:47).

Wouldn't be surprised the whole soundtrack is actually based on or inspired by 3th party work :)
"The Hills Are Alive" is supposedly a reference to The Sound of Music, "The Wall" to the Pink Floyd album.

Camouflage - Great Commandment is mentioned, but since that record is from 1987...

@defdanny: I believe every user here has, by default, wiki editing rights, so you can go ahead if you like. I think a 2nd table below the current one would do. The title for that section/table could perhaps be something along the lines of "Commercial tunes that take inspiration from (MSX) game music", or, perhaps better since it's broader: "Notable (contemporary) arrangements that take inspiration from (MSX) game music".

I can set it up as well if you like.

Por ren

Paragon (1887)

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18-05-2020, 16:08

Sigh, reading back a bit in this thread, seems most LJ stuff has already been pointed out by Masaxi in 2012 (page 2, the sid info). Seems most of his contributions, but other stuff as well, have not been included in the wiki page. Lazy Bones? Wink

Regarding the sid info: I don't hear the 1st reference. It does make a nice title reference. There's "Stardust" which could be a reference to the song by Carmichael.

Por defdanny

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19-05-2020, 10:45

Hi Ren,
I also spent an hour or so to read the comments under the YT videos to Lazy Jones, seems to be the best source to find out more about the music! Wink

ren wrote:

Looked at LJ some more. Also in the comments of aforementioned video, and this one is in the MSX version as well if I'm not mistaken: Blancmange - Living On The Ceiling (@1:11)

confirmed. It is in the C64 AND the MSX version.

ren wrote:

So the Zombie Nation tune is actually Electronic Ensemble - It Happened Then (@0:54) (!)

When I listened to this reference, I got certain doubts that it was the original. The melody of "it happened then" is very similar, it's more an inspiration of Lazy Jones. But that's splitting hairs.

ren wrote:

Some top comment there also mentions US Cavalry Charge & Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Not sure about those myself, though a couple of other folks are backing up the latter reference.

You have to use much fantasy to hear these references.
Cavalry theme: In the "Turkey" game in the MSX version. Confirmed.
Once heard the typical 5-note sound of the movie "close encounters of the third kind" (when humans try to communicate with the alien spaceship), you can find it in one of the LJ music tunes. Confirmed (but I haven't yet found/heard it in the MSX version).

ren wrote:

Another commenter mentions first tune (main/'overworld' theme) <> Giorgo Moroder's Underdog.

I like that reference very much, because I find it very easy and clearly to hear! It is the "Hotel"/"Overworld" tune from the C64/MSX version! confirmed.

ren wrote:

Also mentioned: Bronski Beat - Smalltown Boy (for the tune @2:47).

Another not so obvious/clear reference, neither in the C64, nor in the MSX version. I am not sure, if it is the tune in the minigame "The hills are alive" of the MSX version? This would be in contradiction to the Pink Floyd reference you mentioned. Not confirmed. :-)

ren wrote:

Camouflage - Great Commandment is mentioned, but since that record is from 1987...

That's obvious b...shit.

ren wrote:

@defdanny: I believe every user here has, by default, wiki editing rights, so you can go ahead if you like. I think a 2nd table below the current one would do. The title for that section/table could perhaps be something along the lines of "Commercial tunes that take inspiration from (MSX) game music", or, perhaps better since it's broader: "Notable (contemporary) arrangements that take inspiration from (MSX) game music".

Ok, I will try to update the wiki entry. I have my doubts about your suggestion on the second section because: In the case of LJ the MSX version is not the "original" / first published version. The only entry that would fit in there, is the Kernkraft 400 reference?

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Paragon (1887)

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19-05-2020, 11:25

Those title reference like "The Wall" are obviously not directly mapped to the music. It's more like DW (as he's credited for game concept, and perhaps, does looks like it, programmed the game as well?) did some kind of overall musical homage here Smile

Bronski beat, just check @ 2:47 of that 'Lazy Jones - Complete soundtrack' vid: that's in the MSX as well. Feels/sounds kinda similar, but debatable indeed Smile

Yeah, so the Close Encounters reference is clear as well. In fact, it seems he based it on Gene Page's disco version (@0:57).
(Movie reference (John Williams - Wild Signals): https://youtu.be/wZj7gUIO-2k @0:05).

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I have my doubts about your suggestion on the second section because: In the case of LJ the MSX version is not the "original" / first published version. The only entry that would fit in there, is the Kernkraft 400 reference?

Uhm.. yes, I think so. Only if it's one entry, nice to have documented right? I thinks it is interesting to mention the C64 stuff: references in the original soundtrack that are missing from the MSX ver. (that would go in the first table then, perhaps as a separate note below the table?)

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