How long can I keep my MSX Sanyo Wavy 2 on?

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Por foody

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27-06-2014, 08:14

I am wondering if I turn my MSX Sanyo Wavy 2 for days and days would that burn it? Can I keep it on for years like the NES or SNES? I know it have no moving part so that is not my worry, but my worry for the old build in power supply. I know those things are old and I am not so sure it can be turned on for long time...I am just wondering.

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Por Grauw

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27-06-2014, 12:02

I wouldn’t leave it on for extended periods. As you said, components are getting very old by now.

I left my CX5MII on for a couple of hours accidentally, it’s not the coolest of machines and it also got very hot from being in the sun… When I noticed it was still on things seemed all right, but when later I switched it back on when it had cooled down, it turned out some mapper logic had broken (see other thread).

I imagine this kind of thing is much more likely to happen now than when the machines were brand new.

Por Daemos

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27-06-2014, 13:08

Basicly the rule stated in every manual old or new is: "do not leave the device on if not in use or for extended periods of time, always switch the device off after use"

Even though electronics can be left on indefinetly they will fail after being powered off. This is why some companies that have extremely expensive analytical equipment never turn the machines off.

My advice is not to put your MSX to the test. It is risky.

Por TheSpecialist

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27-06-2014, 13:22

LOL?

Yes of course you can leave MSX on for years, just like NES or SNES. If the power supply is so fragile that it can't do that, you would have issues with some cartridges too. So don't worry.

Typical MSX is only 15-25 Watts.

But never have (any) electronic equipment operating in the sun!!!

Por syn

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27-06-2014, 14:14

I always look at it like this: If you can play games for like 15 minutes-30 minutes without problems, leaving it on for hours/days wouldn't be any different.

All electronics will fail at some point but most can last decades if treated well (source: the fact that many msx computers and other computers from that era are still functional!). Imho the weakest link is the power supply, but like thespecialist said, if your PSU was already in trouble, you would have had other problems as well.

So don't worry about it too much, like someone said sarcastically to me when I asked him how to keep my computer in mint condition: "The best way to preserve your msx is to never turn it on".

In other words, just enjoy your msx Big smile

Out of curiosity: Is there any reason you wanna keep your MSX on for days? because of lack of save-feature in games?

Por Daemos

Paragon (1951)

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27-06-2014, 15:51

The longest MSX experience I have actual record of is 7 days of non stop power on. The person couldn't save the game and wanted the all time high score for Kings valley. He succeeded Smile and the MSX is still working.

I think that every machine that still works today has passed the test allready. All other machines that had problems have either been repaired or allready died. So via natural selection only the best made it up until today.

Por foody

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27-06-2014, 18:23

OK that is good advice. The reason behind it is because my MSX have no cartridges at all what so ever. I have lots of basic code games in books I want to enter. I figured until I receive the megaflash ROM I would like to enter the codes slowly even if it takes couple of days entering them then play the game. I also felt like keeping the game on for a while after entering these lines of code...just so I can use my MSX. Ever since I purchased my MSX from eBay I have not being using it at all...due to lack of any cartridge or means of saving/loading data.

Some people say not to keep it on others say to keep it on...so I am kind of in a checkmate here now.

Por Grauw

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27-06-2014, 18:37

I was mostly saying that the components are 30 years old, so I would not make a habit out of keeping it on all the time. But I agree with the others that it’s not a great risk. It’s not like, if you keep it on for X hours there is an Y% chance of failure. Most likely there will not be any issues with keeping your MSX on for a couple of days, at least until your MegaFlashROM arrives. In the end, with my CX5MII I was just unlucky (and I’m in the process of repairing it Smile).

I would definitely not stop yourself from enjoying your MSX for this small concern. Enjoying the machine is the no. 1 priority! Smile So please don’t hesitate to do as you were thinking.

p.s. If you are entering Basic listings, you could consider connecting your MSX to your PC via the cassette input/output, and use your PC as a tape recorder to preserve the games you painstakingly entered!

Por foody

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27-06-2014, 18:36

OK....I like what I am hearing Grauw Big smile Big smile. How do I go about doing that? Is there hardware and software tutorial that allows me to save from MSX to PC? Take in my mind...my MSX 1 have only BASC 1...the oldest version of BASIC possible and there is no terminal software. So I may need to enter code to communicate between PC and MSX.

So let us get the cable or hardware part first out of the way. What is it called? Can you show me an eBay link for it? I may order that right away and use it until MegaFlash ROM is out...

and how do I transfer code from MSX to PC and back from PC to MSX to continue the codes I entered and not start from scratch all the time!?

Honestly, I want to use my MSX and abuse (productively) without feeling an ounce of guilt....it is a toy that I want to enjoy!

For example, my NES I am actually enjoying it FIFITY BILLION times more than any emulator and yesterday when I turned it on and the game showed gibberish and crashy screen I was actually jumping up and doing smiling...going hehehehehhe

this experience I can never get in an emulator...the emulator can never die, can never crash and the rom in the emulator can never break...ZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Por Grauw

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27-06-2014, 18:41

Hey, actually check this post by user 410172, he just recently found a nice video explaining how to transfer software from PC to MSX. From MSX to PC, the method is similar except you record audio in stead of playing it back.

In the end, the PC is just acting as a replacement for a tape recorder. After connecting it, all you need to do is record and play back WAV files, and use the Basic SAVE "CAS:" and LOAD "CAS:" commands to start sending and receiving the files as audio data to and from your PC.

Por Grauw

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27-06-2014, 18:48

p.s. here’s a webshop where you can buy a cassette lead relatively cheaply. Also you there are other sellers if you look on google or eBay.

They are also very easy to make yourself. Just need a DIN 8, a couple of jack plugs, some wire and a soldering iron.

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