calling all msx uk based users

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Por anonymous

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04-12-2014, 19:52

CX5Mer wrote:

I'm proud to announce that I've just bought a Philips VG8235 MSX2 on eBay.

So you went for a "doorstop" model after all? Congratulations with your purchase! Smile

Por Grauw

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04-12-2014, 21:46

CX5Mer wrote:

I'm proud to announce that I've just bought a Philips VG8235 MSX2 on eBay.

Congrats Smile.

CX5Mer wrote:

I'd like to get some kind of FM sound upgrade to it in the near future, so I can play music like I used to on my CX5M, but I'm not sure how I would upgrade it. I'd need a Yamaha SFG-01 or SFG-05, as well as some music software to make it work like the CX5M.

Word of warning: the Yamaha SFG-01/05 has very little software support. Also, they need a special adapter to fit in non-Yamaha MSX computers, which is hard to find.

Better get an FM-PAC (MSX-MUSIC / OPLL), a very capable sound chip used in many games and scene products, also used on other systems like the Sega Master System. They’re still being made by amongst others ericb.

A Music Module (MSX-AUDIO / OPL1) is also a good purchase. It has more capabilities than the MSX-MUSIC, but not too many Japanese games use it. Quite a few scene products available for it though (especially from the Dutch scene). I see them for sale regularly here, on eBay and on Marktplaats for €40 or less.

Then there’s the Konami SCC, it has a very characteristic sound, I love it. It uses 32-sample waveforms, not FM. You find them in either a Konami SCC game cartridge with switch, or one of the FPGA-based reproductions such as the MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD. Mostly used by Konami games, but also some scene products.

Finally there is the MoonSound (OPL4) which is the best FM & wave sound chip that exists for MSX. Also still produced in batches sometimes. It’s not cheap though; the DalSoRi for example costs around €150. It was first released in 1994 so there are relatively few scene products that use it. Very capable to make music with though.

p.s. Don’t forget the humble built-in PSG! Some pretty neat music can be made with it, especially when using the envelope generator to play saw waves :). It’s under-appreciated I think, msx.org doesn’t even seem to have a decent wiki page for it!

For games I would recommend the FM-PAC and/or SCC, for making your own music I would recommend the Music Module or a MoonSound.

There is plenty of music editing software available for all the above sound cartridges, e.g. MoonBlaster, Oracle, Trilo Tracker, etc. Most are trackers. The Music Module has MIDI if you plan on using that, although there isn’t that much software support for that (not like the Atari ST :)). Some software with Philips MIDI support is Synthesix by yours truly, MSXSynth and the Meridian tracker.

You can find more information on these sound chips on the msx.org wiki (I added some links above) and Wikipedia.

CX5Mer wrote:

This computer would probably need a slot expander. I recently saw a video of an MSX1 computer which had a few bare boards connected to its cartridge port or ports and it looked such a mess!

You probably won’t need a slot expander for regular use, I don’t use mine frequently anymore nowadays (partially because the MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD is such a nice all-in-one product :)).

In case you missed it, note the 8235 has a second slot on the back. There’s a little plastic accessory to hold the cartridge, but if you don’t have it you can also plug in cartridges without it (just be a little more careful).

Por valkyre

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03-02-2015, 12:37

An email will be on its way to you uk guys in the next couple of days with a cool suggestion!

Por CX5Mer

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03-02-2015, 14:12

Great! I hope this will be some kind of group meeting with our computers. I live in London, but it's best not to say whereabouts in London on a forum.

Por chinnyhill10

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08-02-2015, 01:29

I'm a new MSX owner having purchased a Hit Bit 75B last week to add to my collection of hardware.

For me growing up the MSX was always that that oddball system along with the C16 that you saw occasional games for among the Speccy, CPC and C64 rack of budget games at the news agent.

My main reason for getting the MSX was to use it for my Youtube channel where I review games using the original hardware. Sadly with the MSX I'm struggling to get a decent RGB signal to capture at the moment (comes out blue) so my first review using it has had to use composite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l7uidEWPHg

It's Milk Race by Mastertronic on the CPC, Spectrum, MSX, C64 and Atari.

Por Grauw

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08-02-2015, 05:03

Nice, didn’t know that game Smile.

Por Manuel

Ascended (15762)

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08-02-2015, 11:03

I'll check the video, but I suspect it's a Spectrum conversion... so it will probably slower than the Spectrum, albeit a bit more colorful.

Por Manuel

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08-02-2015, 13:59

[watched now] So, nice review, came out almost exactly as I said Smile Next time it would be more interesting for us MSXers if a game would be used that had a not-so-cheap Spectrum conversion for the MSX, but a true port.

Por CX5Mer

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08-02-2015, 18:08

I think this should be on a new topic,

The sound chip on MSX is the 8910 NOT the 8912 on the Amstrad CPC. The chips are similar specs, but CPC firmware routines allow the 8912 chip to play different sounds on the 3 channels at the same time, although not on MSX.

The slower speed on MSX was probably due to the separate VRAM and software houses not knowing how to program it. This problem was mentioned in "MSX Computing" or "MSX User"

The SONY Hit Bit 75B seems to be the only SONY MSX released in the UK. It had additional software or firmware admin programs built in on ROM and the Philips VG8235 MSX2 keyboard seems to be based on it, especially the cursor keys and the top row of keys not being full travel.

Of course, the Spectrum and CPC have no sprites, while the MSX and the others do have sprites, but there's still no excuse for the identical looking cyclists on most versions of this game.

The Milk Marketing Board was closed down years ago. I can't remember the last time I drank any milk, because I use Nestle Coffee Mate in my coffee. I think I might drink some milk tonight and see if it improves my game playing! As people who watched the British TV channel ITV some years ago know, allegedly unless you drink lots of milk, you'll only be good enough to play football for Accrington Stanley. Who are they?! ALSO What's milk got? It's got the lot!

Here's a TV commercial actually about the Milk Race https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2XyRTK82eo

Finally, "Accrington Stanley, who are they?!" These two boys are from Liverpool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pieK7b4KLL4

Por flyguille

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08-02-2015, 20:37

CX5Mer wrote:

I think this should be on a new topic,

The sound chip on MSX is the 8910 NOT the 8912 on the Amstrad CPC. The chips are similar specs, but CPC firmware routines allow the 8912 chip to play different sounds on the 3 channels at the same time, although not on MSX.

what do you mean, MSX is perfectly capable with BIOS or BASIC to play differents sounds in the three channels at the same time!".

Just play "channel1", "channel2", "channel3".

oh, you means differents instrumments?, 8910 only have one modulation register, so the instrument set affects the three channels. Not a firmware fault.

CX5Mer wrote:

The slower speed on MSX was probably due to the separate VRAM and software houses not knowing how to program it. This problem was mentioned in "MSX Computing" or "MSX User"

What do you mean with slower speed on MSX, msx is fast as any other microcomputer of the 80's, sure you don't meas, "crappy software houses trying to do straight recompilations of his software made for others platforms based on z80, and failing completely because video ram can't be poked just as RAM?".

"Konami was one of the greatest software houses for the MSX and they demonstrate how can be done isometric 3D fast and nice, fully of action, so, no problem with video ram not being able to poke directly!."

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