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Por konamiman

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20-11-2015, 11:53

Metalion wrote:

JavilM, I appreciate your efforts towards the MSX community, but I was quite baffled to see that on your website, you expect (at least some) people to PAY for those MSX lessons. Granted, they become free after a week or so, but nonetheless, it suddenly gives a very different feeling to your contributions ...

I don't think there's anything bad with somehow rewarding the people who supports creators, and it is not that annoying for everyone else. I have seen similar schemas elsewhere, for example in online newspapers.

Por iamweasel2

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20-11-2015, 13:09

Metalion wrote:

JavilM, I appreciate your efforts towards the MSX community, but I was quite baffled to see that on your website, you expect (at least some) people to PAY for those MSX lessons. Granted, they become free after a week or so, but nonetheless, it suddenly gives a very different feeling to your contributions ...

I don't see a problem at all asking for contributions. If those contributions can help finding time to write more tutorials I'm all for it. The problem I see today in small retro communities is that there are few people that has great knowledge about the internal workings of hardware / software and many others that would like to build something but they don't have the knowledge. Of course this is not anyone's fault, things are what they are. So it is always great when someone that have that knowledge takes his time to teach others how to do that.

Someone can say: "hey, there are plenty of books and articles in the net for free. Anyone can grab them and learn !". When we were kids, that could be the answer, but not today, when we are (most of us) pushing 40s, have bills to pay and also kids. Our free time is really small now, so getting books and spending hours a day studying / writing code to put together (and learn) scattered information as we did when we were kids is not an option anymore. So I really appreciate when someone takes the time to teach something that probably took himself years to learn. So I thank Javier and everybody that takes some of his already small free time to write a MSX tutorial.

Por Metalion

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20-11-2015, 13:40

I guess we have a different point of view on the subject.

If I follow your reasoning a little bit further, it would mean we could (almost) charge people for answers on this forum. Anyone on this forum, answering any given question, takes the time off their already small free time to give something back to the community. When I'm trying to explain some assembler stuff to someone on the forum, I give them back what it took years for me to learn. It's the same thing.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you guys. Furthermore, I feel strongly that anyone has the right to do as they please. If JavilM feels like doing so, and if everyone is OK with it, then so be it. Perhaps I'm a bit naive.

Por anonymous

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20-11-2015, 16:57

Metalion wrote:

I guess we have a different point of view on the subject.

Yes, I guess we do.

Metalion wrote:

If I follow your reasoning a little bit further, it would mean we could (almost) charge people for answers on this forum. Anyone on this forum, answering any given question, takes the time off their already small free time to give something back to the community.

We use analogies when we try to explain relatively complex scenarios in a simpler way. I don't think there's any need to provide an analogy for this situation because it's already simple enough: guy writes content and accepts donations for his work. However, if you're going to use an analogy anyway, at least use one that portrays a similar situation. In this case, a more appropriate one would be the MSX.org staff allowing everybody to use the site as they already do, and setting up a Patreon page to allow people to support their work.

Metalion wrote:

When I'm trying to explain some assembler stuff to someone on the forum, I give them back what it took years for me to learn. It's the same thing.

No, it's not the same thing.

Metalion wrote:

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you guys. Furthermore, I feel strongly that anyone has the right to do as they please. If JavilM feels like doing so, and if everyone is OK with it, then so be it. Perhaps I'm a bit naive.

Perhaps you are.

Por anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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20-11-2015, 16:58

iamweasel2 wrote:

Someone can say: "hey, there are plenty of books and articles in the net for free. Anyone can grab them and learn !". When we were kids, that could be the answer, but not today, when we are (most of us) pushing 40s, have bills to pay and also kids. Our free time is really small now, so getting books and spending hours a day studying / writing code to put together (and learn) scattered information as we did when we were kids is not an option anymore.

Not to mention the fact that these books are written in Japanese, so add a few more years to learn the language. ;-)

iamweasel2 wrote:

So I really appreciate when someone takes the time to teach something that probably took himself years to learn. So I thank Javier and everybody that takes some of his already small free time to write a MSX tutorial.

Thanks.

Por Grauw

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20-11-2015, 18:05

Metalion wrote:

I guess we have a different point of view on the subject.

If I follow your reasoning a little bit further

If I follow your reasoning a bit further, it would mean some people might outrageously charge for games and other software they have developed? *gasp*

Content is content. The only real difference is that one medium is written in English and the other in a programming language, but they require equal amounts of effort. Some people offer their content for free, some people would like a contribution, voluntary or not. A donations system is nice, but it tends to be a bit too voluntary at times. On the other hand paid content locks it away for posterity. I think Javi’s made a very nice compromise by having this one-week access period for patreons only.

Javi, your articles are great, they must take a lot of effort to write, I hope you’ll keep it up! The topic of C is really underdocumented on MSX.

Have you considered eventually bundling articles in a digital book format? PDF, ePub, and putting it on the Amazon Kindle store?

Por iamweasel2

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21-11-2015, 00:17

Grauw wrote:

Have you considered eventually bundling articles in a digital book format? PDF, ePub, and putting it on the Amazon Kindle store?

If Javier bundles all the articles in a book (digital or not) I would certainly buy it. Smile

Por kanima

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21-11-2015, 01:24

konamiman wrote:

they are complex enough that it would take me forever to develop them in C

I'm assuming you meant "to develop them in assembler"?

Por anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

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21-11-2015, 03:07

Grauw wrote:

Have you considered eventually bundling articles in a digital book format? PDF, ePub, and putting it on the Amazon Kindle store?

I have thought about it, but I've decided not to. By the time I finish the MSX-C part there will be 50-60 posts. Bundling that in a book would require rewriting some parts, sometimes making new screenshots, etc. Too much work just to offer the same content that's already available online. I'd rather keep writing tutorials. Also, at any moment I may get tired of it and just stop doing it.

Por Metalion

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21-11-2015, 14:24

JaviLM wrote:

Perhaps you are.

That was easy ... but unnecessary.

Good luck with your lessons.

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