Did you buy the MSX2 English Golvellius from WOOMB?

Por mars2000you

Enlighted (6451)

07-11-2006, 23:18

Those games only can be played into their 'original' systems when modified with reverse engineering or decrypted (cracking - illegal procedure).

Besides, even if you have the patience and the skill to use this procedure, it will spoil all your MSX passion. Why ? Simply because when you buy a MSX game, you want to play it as soon as possible on your beloved MSX computer or on your preferred MSX emulator.

Por wolf_

Ambassador_ (10096)

07-11-2006, 23:24

For all I care, these games may as well be called 'Hastens games', games that only work when zZz'ing in their beds. These games are what they are.. Like it? Get it. Don't like it? Leave it..

Por ReyVGM

Champion (257)

07-11-2006, 23:28

"ReyVGM, do not ask for warez on the MRC, it's against our policies. Besides that, I find it absolutely outrageous to ask for copies of a game that has been released weeks ago. But maybe that's just because I'm involved..."

Sorry, I didn't mean to step in some toes, plus I'm just a few weeks old here in this place and I didn't know woomb was so new either.

Also, but how exactly does it qualify as warez?
I thought woomb games were official products and if a person legally bought the game from the site it shouldn't make it warez.

And last I said on my last post, I had to ask just in case someone didn't mind

Por Sama

Ambassador (2068)

07-11-2006, 23:30

I didn't hear Viejo complain about the shots taken from Japanese game endings where the English translation was inserted afterwards...

Anyway, to those who don't want to play the game because they can't play it on their real MSX: that's your loss (because you really DO miss something ). Thanks for the interesting information about your personal view on the important matter that this distinction (whether or not it is an MSX game) is, but let's not mess up this topic any more.

Por Samor

Prophet (2171)

07-11-2006, 23:31

Again, that does not make it an MSX game.
Street Fighter Alpha for Windows: cps2 enhanced rom image bundled with an emulator: it is a Windows game.
Twinklestar Sprites for Dreamcast: neogeo rom image modified with more options, with an emulator. Is a Dreamcast game.
Sonic CD (Sonic Mega Collection) for GC: mega cd game enhanced with add ons, with an emulator. Is a Gamecube game.
etc, etc...

Those games only can be played into their 'original' systems when modified with reverse engineering or decrypted (cracking - illegal procedure).

As far as I know, all your examples involve TECHNICAL modifications to the games themselves, rendering them unplayable on the original system due to technical limitations of that system. I'm not talking about encryption there. Those are ports, not emulation.
Sonic Mega Collection has Sonic 1, 2 and 3 (Sonic CD would be Sonic Gems collection, by the way). Those are INDEED emulations (unlike Sonic CD, which may or may not use partial emulation, but for example sports improved FMV that a Mega CD simply cannot handle) and are still Megadrive titles, even if released on another platform. Even if they had a change, if there's no technical change that makes them impossible to run on the original hardware or an emulator (again, I don't count encryption, because that is something different than changing original code) I'd say you could safely classify them as Megadrive games.

If I buy Sega Smash pack for PC, for example, and take screenshots from an ending, I'm still posting screenshots of an emulated Megadrive game.

Por ReyVGM

Champion (257)

08-11-2006, 02:01

"I didn't hear Viejo complain about the shots taken from Japanese game endings where the English translation was inserted afterwards... "

Hey, if someone sends me the translation right after the last boss is defeated I'll beat the Japanese one and insert the text.
It's all the same to me as long as I put it up in english

I would still credit the person that sent me the translation and still credit woomb for it (considering that's where the translation came from.)

So if anyone has it, send it over

Por pitpan

Prophet (3155)

08-11-2006, 09:30

Oh, no, it is not a Windows game, it is an MSX game. It is impossible to play it in a MSX computer system, but that is a minor detail that we can ignore

Come on, guys! MSX soft that you cannot play in a MSX is *NOT* MSX software. Send me the translated ROM without encryption or sell it anywhere on Internet and I'll change my mind, I promise. Until then, let's asume the facts: it is a lame Windows game that does not take advantage of PC hardware.

It looks like MSX, but also LA MULANA does and it is pure Java: you need a full featured PC to play it. Any difference for the users? NOT AT ALL. Well, YES: LA MULANA is free

Por wolf_

Ambassador_ (10096)

08-11-2006, 10:17

You could in theory play it on an MSX, if there wouldn't be a protectionmechanism, that makes it an MSX game to me. It's MSX code, MSX gfx, MSX music, and you run it in MSX-Player, an MSX-emulator. This might mean you need Windows to play it, but it doesn't make it a Windows game to me.

It's like PC demos, the old ones from mid 90's were DOS demos (they used those hacky screenmodes and Ultrasound soundcards etc.) I can't run them these days on my Windows machine. But! There's this tool called 'Dosbox' which emulates the classic DOS enviroment, and suddenly I can run all those demos again. Now, are those demos suddenly Windows demos, rather than DOS demos?

Por wolf_

Ambassador_ (10096)

08-11-2006, 10:17

And the reason why there's a protectionmechanism is obvious..

Por viejo_archivero

Paragon (1395)

08-11-2006, 10:35

And the reason why there's a protectionmechanism is obvious..
For avoiding "evil" people wanting to play it on real MSX or in their favourite MSX emulator?. C'mon