Italo challenge sample kit

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Por wolf_

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14-01-2007, 21:46

I need more info before I can say something that makes sense... do you have samples laying around but don't know how to make Moonblaster tones or waves from them? Or don't you have waves at all? etc. etc. Tell us more! Tongue

Por OdontoMan

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15-01-2007, 05:14

I have microsoft wave files or i can make them easily. (I have a Sonar workstation in my PC with a mixer, two keyboards, drum modules...) I don't know: how to make the wave files being readable by moonblaster, I think it is easy to edit the tone once it is inside the program. I must convert wave files to WMV extension isn't it? how long the waves can be? I hope being more precise now...
thanx, Nilo Reis

Por wolf_

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15-01-2007, 12:09

Waves can be 64kb (minus some, dunno exactly, but 64kb is way oversized anyway)

Save wave as 'wav' and use msd's Wav2Mtn tool, or save as raw.. that's all.

Por OdontoMan

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15-01-2007, 12:33

Ok, let's see... I can use a wave file of more or less 64k, (44.1khz can it be?) and I use this tool Wav2Mtn... Now I have a MTN file ritght? this file is loadable by moonblaster as a tone?
If the answer to all questions is yes, i understood. Thanx for your guru helping Smile !

Por wolf_

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15-01-2007, 12:43

more or less 64: no: it should be less than 64kb for technical reasons, and somewhere between 16..32kb is recommendable for practical/artistic reasons. But it also depends on how much S-RAM you have on your Moonsound. With 128Kb you'll have act according to it. With 640Kb you can have some bigger samples (tho still less than 64kb each!), and some more of 'em. With an average 16kb for each sample you can load about 40 tones in 640Kb, MBWave and MBFM can load 64 tones max (this is a limit of MB, not the Moonsound), so whatever tune will be: calculate at forehand what you're about to need.

(44.1khz can it be?) 192Khz could be! But (a) the mixing freq of the Moonsound is 44Khz, (b) the higher the sample rate, the more memory you need and (c) the higher the sample rate, the less musical information will fit in that 64kb limit.

and I use this tool Wav2Mtn... Now I have a MTN file ritght? Yep!

this file is loadable by moonblaster as a tone? Yep, but so are raw files saved from your audio-editor (assuming you can save as raw!)

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Por wolf_

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04-02-2007, 01:27

Yez! Today (sunday) I think I'll throw out the bunch! Hannibal
Unless someone has requests, if so: shout!

In the current package:
6 different basses, full-range sampled (13 samples!)
10 leads, mid-range sampled (9x 5 samples, and an epiano with 8 samples .. e'ish .. not really a DX piano or Rhodes, but not a Steinway either)
1 Linn drumkit, including a few reverbed versions of some essential sounds. In fact, this Linn is almost about everything you'd ever need for Italo.. ^_^ (note: the Linn is that piece o' equipment you can see in the Italo banner)
3 octave-seperated 'A' notes for pads, each pad has 7 filter-steps, so they range from sharp/bright to smooth/muddled/soft
1 custom designed orchestra hit, sampled every note within one octave (c..b) and at 3 velocities, in total that makes 36 hits

Note that in their current state they're wave files at 44.1/16/mono. So they can't be loaded into MBWave/FM right away, use MSD's tool or a random PC audio editor to convert them to a raw file as you need them. Also, because of their high-quality size they appear to be big. However, note that 22/8 is still a good quality for instruments, meaning a 1/4 size compared to the original size!

The problem with Italo is its wide sounpalette within the style and synths of the 80's. At a certain point I truly wouldn't know what to sample/create more. Personally I never make a samplekit in advance, I just create/add sounds as I need them. So, suggestions? Otherwise, stay tuned later this day.. Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers

Por Edwin

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04-02-2007, 11:27

So today the contest can finally start? Tongue

Por msd

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04-02-2007, 12:09

of course wav2mtn can handle samples up to 128KB (when they are 16 bit Tongue)

Por Latok

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04-02-2007, 14:28

Note that in their current state they're wave files at 44.1/16/mono. So they can't be loaded into MBWave/FM right away, use MSD's tool or a random PC audio editor to convert them to a raw file as you need them. Also, because of their high-quality size they appear to be big. However, note that 22/8 is still a good quality for instruments, meaning a 1/4 size compared to the original size!
I expect the Italo Challenge will only really take off when you can motivate n00bs to booting MBwave and starting to compose something. These people probably don't have a 'random PC audio editor' and MSD's tool is limited to 128kb WAV-files, right? I'd suggest a direct loadable Moonblaster Italo Wavekit NEXT to the great sample package you created Wolf. Thank you for that Smile....

Por wolf_

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04-02-2007, 14:37

If that's true, then I invite these n00bs here to say so. What's the use of a complete wavekit? One should assemble that as one needs individual samples. As for wave samples, there are 6 possible options, the package would become much bigger then. (44/16, 44/8, 22/16, 22/8, 11/16, 11/8)

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