why is the MSXVR so expensive if its just emulation?

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By blueagent

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29-12-2020, 05:30

i was looking at MSXVR and just wondering why its so expensive? i know it has a real cartridge slot and whatnot, but if its just emulation from a pi3 then it shouldn't cost 399euros, i think that seem abit too much to ask doesn't it? i mean for that price i can get 2 real MSX2 computers, but that's just me.

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By CASDuino

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29-12-2020, 05:48

I'm not a fan of the VR but you have development costs, designing and printing the case, and so much more.

If you can think you can make a quality product for far less, then please do so.

By Metalion

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29-12-2020, 07:55

It's not "just emulation from a pi3" !

There's a specific circuit board that was designed around it, physical support for all connections and media, keyboard, case made from injected plastic, manual, development, ... Plus in the end, they're not doing it for free, so they have to earn a little money from it.

As it was said above, if you think you can do better for less, then go ahead.

By blueagent

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29-12-2020, 09:06

CASDuino wrote:

I'm not a fan of the VR

oh but I AM a fan of the MSXVR, which was why i a few days ago i went to their website to preorder a unit with international shipping, but during checkout, i just couldn't bring myself to pay 399 euros for it......now if the MSXVR were a real hardware clone however, i would be more than happy and willing to pay that kind of money, which was why i said that the 399 euros were asking a little much, because in all honesty, i think that price range shoudl've been for something like a real MSX hardware clone, although as a fan of MSXVR myself, i would still gladly pay 299euros for the MSXVR....just not 399 euros.

CASDuino wrote:

If you can think you can make a quality product for far less, then please do so.

i have never once bashed the MSXVR, nor had i ever blatantly stated i wasn't a fan of it. i posted this thread simply because i wanted to know why it costed 399euros even though its emulation based, so there is no ounce of malice on my part. so i really don't appreciate your passive-aggressiveness attitude towards me

also, just because i can't make a quality product for far less, that doesn't mean we don't deserve a more moderately priced MSXVR, which in my opinion is the next best thing in absence of a real hardware clone.

even prior to posting this thread, i have already read this thread below from around a few days ago (as my forum account viewing history will show), in which another member have expressed much stronger, and harsher opinion towards the MSX, which i do not fully share. however in spite of this, his opinion was still tolerated and i don't recall you nor anyone in that thread telling him to "go make a better one on your own if you think you can" like what happened with me.

PS: some people have said that the PS5 game console is expensive, do you tell them to "make a quality product for far less, then please do so." ????

gaula82 wrote:

Wow, selling an emulator running on 35 Euros hardware on the free GNU/Linux OS for 400 Euros is quite an accomplishment. Better yet, a closed-source emulator! What could go wrong?? oO

Some people in this thread are about to learn a painful lesson... for a high price, that is.

Software emulators running on ANY operating system are bound to have loads on audio and video lag. Thats because of buffers. Buffers are unavoidable due to the inherent jittering present in those modern, multitasking OSes.
Its OK because most software emulators are free, so theres nothing to complain about: OpenMSX for example has needed MANY years to mature to the point its now, so all you will get with this MSXVR thing is either a poor emulator or a stolen OpenMSX/BlueMSX deployment in a 35 Euros computer for 400.
But hey! It has cartidge slots!! Yeah, but it can NOT access the cartidges in realtime as a real MSX or an FPGA implementation because the Pi buses have nothing in common with MSX. (FPGAs CAN access cartidges in realtime because they are an electronic-level implementation of the MSX hardware). So, in this MSXVR abortion, carts have to be dumped into ROMs in order to be used.

Thats all you will get: a very expensive cartidge dumper that plays ROMs on an obscure and half-baked emulator (or stolen, who knows since this POS will be closed-source).

Stay away from this shit. Use FREE and open-source emulators, or if you are a purist then go FPGA or real HW.
There are MANY options, its up to you. But dont let this people rip your money.

By jltursan

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29-12-2020, 09:23

Plastic injection moulds are incredibly expensive, even more if they're big ones like these. MSXVR has little new hardware compared against other "competitors" like the Mega65; but more software developed specifically for the machine. All in all a lot of time has been spent in the project for sure.
This kind of projects are not cheap at all, we must face it; look at the aforementioned Mega65, it costs 999€ and consider it cheap!

By Pencioner

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29-12-2020, 09:24

I think you at least have an option not to buy. Why to bother people with your choice of not buying? Hannibal

By Pencioner

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29-12-2020, 10:03

jltursan wrote:

Plastic injection moulds are incredibly expensive, ...

I think everything everybody says here to him is more of preaching to deaf ears.

By tfh

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29-12-2020, 09:59

Come on guys... He is just asking a question, to which there is a good answer. It's enough to give the requested answer without the negativity.
Christmas has just gone... Think about peace and stuff...

By Pencioner

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29-12-2020, 10:15

I'm just wondering if that's really too hard to imagine the amount of work done - design, hardware design and development, software development (because afaik VR doesn't use emlator as is, it adds stuff there), writing big detailed manual, then add the parts cost - cherry keyboard itself costs quite a lot, and then efforts on testing all that stuff...
Come on guys... you think it is expensive? I think the price is fair

By tfh

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29-12-2020, 10:50

Pencioner wrote:

I'm just wondering if that's really too hard to imagine the amount of work done - design, hardware design and development, software development (because afaik VR doesn't use emlator as is, it adds stuff there), writing big detailed manual, then add the parts cost - cherry keyboard itself costs quite a lot, and then efforts on testing all that stuff...
Come on guys... you think it is expensive? I think the price is fair

I have no problems with the price at all. I've been working in electronics manufacturing for over 20 years. And considering the quantity the MSXVR is dead cheap.
But not everyone knows/has all the background knowledge about this project/technique. So explaining is fine. Judging isn't necessary.

By Pencioner

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29-12-2020, 11:01

I agree, but it was a response for the topic starter price judging attitude, like that. Judging for judging, eye for an eye... rofl
(well i'm harsh sometimes, so DON'T JUDGE ME, it is unnessessary)

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