The Cartridge-Only philosophising

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By ARTRAG

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13-12-2015, 13:00

Actually sooner or later I will release Uridium sources and Rom for free, anyway a possible solution could be to release a rom dump to the buyer of the cartridge.
Eric if you do not trust Giuseve, it would be sufficient to embed the name of the owner in the Rom file to discurage abuses.

By Manuel

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13-12-2015, 13:01

ARTRAG: I'm interested to buy an MSX2 version of the game Tongue (Yes, I love MSX2... and your proto was quite impressive!)

By gdx

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13-12-2015, 13:14

dioniso wrote:

The creator of the game is the one who decides; it is HIS work. No one is allowed to steel it.

Personally, I would like buy my favorite games in cartridge and the others in downloadable file but I agree with you.

By Ramones

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13-12-2015, 13:14

ARTRAG wrote:

Actually sooner or later I will release Uridium sources and Rom for free, anyway a possible solution could be to release a rom dump to the buyer of the cartridge.

Hmm.. could be... Maybe I'm a bit retarded but I think this non-msx users don't want buy the cartridge, the digital rom... nothing. Smile

ARTRAG wrote:

Eric if you do not trust Giuseve, it would be sufficient to embed the name of the owner in the Rom file to discurage abuses.

Those non-msx users are very good hackers, Artrag. Change the name is really easy. Hex editor, put other name or nothing and upload to their non-msx sites. Smile

I repeat: They are non-msx users. They don't want pay anything. The typical excuse "if the price is inexpensive I want buy digital rom" is a big fallacy.

By mtn

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13-12-2015, 13:15

If the game is worth playing, it is worth buying.

How many games from the last 20 years do you come back to and play, over and over?

By ARTRAG

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13-12-2015, 13:21

@ Manuel
Uridium 2? The development is on hold sorry. I do not have time and energies for complete games.
Add that real life is pressing also on the other team members...

By ARTRAG

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13-12-2015, 13:31

Ramones it could be a nice challenge to put it in a way it cannot be easily removed

By Ramones

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13-12-2015, 13:44

ARTRAG wrote:

Ramones it could be a nice challenge to put it in a way it cannot be easily removed

I've unbeatable routine: to do nothing. Wink

Ok, it's a joke. I thought a good way to sign the ROMs to avoid those non-msx supporters when I had still energy to make new games. But now... :/

By Grauw

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13-12-2015, 14:28

I don’t think whether you are a real MSX fan and respect the creators depends on whether you have a physical machine or not… Some people just don’t have the room or desire to own a real machine, but still appreciate the system and like to involve themselves with it, create things for it, buy things for it.

Ramones wrote:

I repeat: They are non-msx users. They don't want pay anything.

People who are going to copy are going to copy, I don’t even consider those people. No point in expending effort to try and prevent it. Copy protections are just a waste of precious time IMO. Even if they can’t copy it, still doesn’t mean they will buy it, so you gain nothing from it.

And by including a copy protection you are also making it harder for your real customers to play the game on an emulator when it’s easier for their set-up. E.g. in my case last time I played an MSX game in my living room (Xak) I did it by connecting my laptop to my TV and playing on the emulator with a wireless PS4 controller, it was quite comfortable.

Anyway I think Kai posted some nice data earlier (for the Lilo, No Name and Nuts rerelease set I think?):

Quote:

Anyway, our previous games were sold on disk, megarom and digital format.
We sold near 100 disks, near 100 cartridges, and 5 or 6 digital versions.
Those are the facts we have...

Those numbers don’t surprise me.

By the way, when I bought that Kai game rerelease set, I also requested to receive the dsk version, I don’t think that was counted as a digital version sold, but I did appreciate it.

I’m in favour of also providing a digital version, but if it’s the creator’s choice to only do a physical release, I can respect that and will happily buy a copy. (Because I love cartridges, they’re erotic!)

By mars2000you

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13-12-2015, 14:29

Grauw wrote:

Anyway I think Kai posted some nice data earlier:

Quote:

Anyway, our previous games were sold on disk, megarom and digital format.
We sold near 100 disks, near 100 cartridges, and 5 or 6 digital versions.
Those are the facts we have...

Those numbers don’t surprise me.

That's why I've written this in another thread:

Quote:

some coders reserve their work to the last pure MSX fans, considering emulation as blasphemy (but though useful for developing, oh it's schizophrenia Shocked! ). And as most MSX users of emulators don't visit MRC or other active MSX websites, they simply don't know the existence of new MSX(2) games, so they are not in the situation to eventually buy a digital version if it was available !

Both worlds are turning in circles in 2 different universes. For me, it's even more simple: the games that are not available in digital format don't exist! Wink

Maybe in 10 years, the situation will be inversed : more buyers for digital versions, but in the mean time, there are enough games in digital version to enjoy, it's so easy to ignore a few games that exist only on cartridge or disk. And anyway, wanting to play all existing games is not a goal in life, so let's forget some limitations of the MSX universe !

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