Comparing MSX-1 to other 8-bit computers

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By MäSäXi

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23-12-2008, 10:03

flexibility of sprites, greater size, ability to get multicolored even with limits (half size, two colors in common among 8 sprites)
not half size, it´s halved only horizontally. Smile In many games it gives sprites blocky look, especially if you make outline with this way, but with clever planning, no one can see any blockyness. Smile by the way, I think there was ONE colour which had to be same. Or then I am wrong again. Tongue

the exposed slots in back if something happens to touch it wrong, will often break stuff. the joystick ports do the same. I fried one accidentally touching it while turning the computer off......

Me too have wondered that "clever" design of Commodore 64 expansion slots since eighties.... I once heard someone saying he fried joystick port of his msx, thought I don´t remember what he did, but something stupid it was, just like the guy who did it.

and, they have a crummy keyboard. Goofy layout, uncomfortable....STUPID arrow keys. I mean, STUPID. two keys for 4 directions? ....

I once read about finnish word processing class of the 1980s and they were using Commodore 64s for that. At the end of the first meeting, they ALL complained they had got the WORST neck and shoulder ache they EVER had in their lifetime!!!!!!! Tongue LOL! Nice ergonomy indeed!!! Tongue Luckily I was not in that class. Tongue I also have always wondered about those 2 cursor keys...... Tongue surely one can get used to them, but.... Tongue

By PingPong

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24-12-2008, 08:56

flexibility of sprites, greater size, ability to get multicolored even with limits (half size, two colors in common among 8 sprites)
not half size, it´s halved only horizontally. Smile In many games it gives sprites blocky look, especially if you make outline with this way, but with clever planning, no one can see any blockyness. Smile by the way, I think there was ONE colour which had to be same. Or then I am wrong again. Tongue

Two of three colors must be the same for all sprites. check VIC registers.

By Arkhan

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24-12-2008, 12:40

Yeah. the spritework for the VIC is strange. If you're savvy you can do some cool color trickery and make new colors! Creatures does some of that. doesnt help the game from sucking though.

but yeah... having to press shift and a cursor key to make it go a direction is mighty dumb. and so is having Home next to delete.

LOL, its the gauntlet. You press home on accident. Then you have to fumble with the cursor keys to get back down where you were, hah.

I didnt know they had 5.25" drives on MSX. Never seen stuff on 5.25 for MSX... *shrug* carts and 3.5's are better! :-P

the c64 totally should have had little doors over the expansion slot. Those ones that are split in the middle.

AND the cartridge port itself is retarded. Well, it might not be but some of the expansions for it are. You literally have to look behind the computer to see that youre sticking it in right, and not wedging it in the space between the port and the case itself. -_- Maybe if the expansion manufacturers woulda springed the 30 cents for a cartridge case for their boards, haha. (I had to make my own . For a 60$ board that was pretty unacceptable. iM glad those sunrise ones are nice and professional looking)

By MäSäXi

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24-12-2008, 12:51

....and my half dead Sony HitBit had RESET-button next to Backspace..... clever design indeed.... it gave me several "nice" moments when I pressed RESET instead of Backspace during programming.... gladly not every MSX had reset button... Tongue

By Hrothgar

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24-12-2008, 14:27

My MSX has its reset button on the back, where you'll never touch it by accident. Drawback is that many games stay in memory after a reset. Sometimes even after a power out, you'll have to shut down the computer for two to three minutes before it will start normally again allowing you to load a next game. Is that also a feature other 8bit machines had?

By Arkhan

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24-12-2008, 19:15

I cant say for anything except good ol' Commie....

The soft reset was not a feature. It was possible though. You just take a paper clip and short out two pins on your User port, and giggle like a tard about it. Smile

And if you did it wrong you broke your computer!

People made "reset" cartridges. They should have just HAD the button. The computer was set up for it but never actually had one.

Ive done a few soft resets where stuff in memory stayed, and sometimes It didnt.

and man, I would have broke that key off that Sony if I had it...

By SLotman

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24-12-2008, 21:36

There have been 5.25" drives for MSX, but in Europe they were hardly used. They were cheaper than the 3.5" ones though. I think that in Brazil the 5.25" drives were a lot more popular than in Europe. (And I don't know why, but maybe that price diff has something to do with it, or... not.)

Yeah, 5.25" were pretty common in Brazil; 3.5" were very expensive (both drive and disks), so pratically no one had them.
Here in Brazil a lot of people still think you can't even use 3.5" drives on MSX... Tongue

By wolf_

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24-12-2008, 23:11

..and they live hidden away from civilization in the Amazon rain forest or what?

By Arkhan

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24-12-2008, 23:32

>_< lol.

Ive grown up with 3.5 flerpys. Never were expensive or rare for me Smile

But yeah, the 1581's for the C64 were and still are rare/expensive/....useless ^_^ (no games were released for it, so its basically an expensive storage medium where today you could just buy a MMC reader for 1/3rd the price and have WAY more storage)

By Bas040

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30-12-2008, 19:57

In a Philips “ product profile” document of its NMS 8245 (1987), this computer is compared to its main competitors (Amstrad, Atari, Commodore, PC).
In the selling propositions matrix the Philips shows (of course) it strengths!

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