if MSX2 had been the MSX SYSTEM ?

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By flyguille

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28-07-2004, 16:58

the good of mixing 8bit and 16bits, is makes shorts assembler code

By anonymous

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28-07-2004, 21:50

MSX-2 was less progressive for 1985 then MSX-1 in 1983. It was born dead.
That's funny, because MSX2 was actually the most innovative computer system when it was released, and miles ahead of the competition. (Although Amiga, released later, came close, it's no cigar.)

By Maggoo

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28-07-2004, 22:16

MSX-1 was quite adequate for 1983-1985. Wildly popular ZX Spectrum 48 had less juice under the hood, yet managed to get great sales and was supported with professionally made games up until 1993.

Sorry but I don't agree. MSX1 was outdated the minute it came out. Z80 was already on the low end, and it's VDP had been used for some time already in TI/994a, SG-1000, SVI 328, Coleco and the likes, not to mention it's PSG which wasn't even up to what the C64 SID or Atari XL soundchip could handle.

The only thing it had that was innovative was the idea of a Standard and a decent Basic. If it didn't have big names behind it (Sony, Microsoft, Philips, Panasonic), it wouldn't have lasted 6 months on the market and nobody would remember it.

By anonymous

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29-07-2004, 00:09

MSX1 was immediately outdated indeed, but that was part of the design.
Using known technology allowed rapid software development. And it's the software that makes the machine (for the most part).

MSX was a standardization attempt. It simply wasn't designed to be completely new (like Amiga). It's both its virtue, and in some ways cause of its demise.

By idrougge

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30-07-2004, 06:52

Mäsäxi: Did you have Amstrad CPC in Finland? And MTX too?
Bloody hell, why do you Finns get all the computers? I bet you even got MSX2...

By idrougge

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30-07-2004, 06:58

That's funny, because MSX2 was actually the most innovative computer system when it was released, and miles ahead of the competition. (Although Amiga, released later, came close, it's no cigar.)

What exactly was so innovative about a Z80 system with good graphics?
When it comes to innovative computer systems, the Amiga beats everything hands down. It had everything the competitors ever had, and a lot else as well.

By idrougge

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30-07-2004, 07:10

I think that the MSX could have been a much bigger success had it been released with MSX2 specs from the beginning. The MSX was caught between the dirt-cheap Speccy and the over-performing Commie. It was absolutely identical to the already established Spectravideo, and it failed to add anything to the market save two things: standardisation and a good BASIC. Other machines (see above) had already established a foothold on the market, others had already lost theirs, and the MSX, lacking such rudimentary features as scrolling, failed to impress buyers, both spec-wise (worse than a C64) and price-wise (same price range as C64). It was, just like the Amstrad CPC, a nice compromise; addressing the problems of competitors, but too conservative in its design.
An MSX2 in 1983-ish (it wasn't really available to the public then, AFAICT) would have humbled the C64 in many aspects, which was the absolute necessity to even begin carving out a position in the same category, and would have compared favourably to the new generation of 8-bitters like the Enterprise (which failed miserably, but that's another story).

Summa summarum: You can't compete with Commodore unless you're dirt cheap, and no Sony/Philips/Matsushita funding will do any good against Commodore discounts and aggressive marketing.

By MäSäXi

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30-07-2004, 10:46

Yes, of course we had Amstrad CPC 464 here in Finland and 664 too, if I am not completely wrong. Amstrad had really lovely looking keyboard! And Memotech was one of my favourite dream computers too in 80´s, but just in my dreams... :´( I only saw it on magazines and sometimes in the shops I guess... when I got my dad ready enough to buy me a computer in 1987, then poor Memotech was dying already... Of course there were many more computers in Finland too... thought not all you had there in "Big World"... we were living in the edge of the Europe....

and of course we got msx2 here too...! but don´t get too silly about it... MSX2 was reviewed in finnish "Mikrobitti" computer magazine in number 6-7/1986. But really... only a few MSX2s came to Finland in 80´s... I tried to get me a one in the 80´s but those software/computer companies didn´t had any possibility to do it.... or that they said... I talked with one seller guy, which was going to trip to USA to find CHEAP msx2s (he told me: "that because msx was failed in america, it can´t cost much there...") , but I never heard of that guy again...

By idrougge

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30-07-2004, 10:50

You seem to have had more than we ever had. In Sweden, Commodore was bigger than christianity, fending off all alien brands before they reached our shores.

IOW, the only MSX2 references I've found in Svenska hemdatornytt are to people who bought SVI738s and brought them to Denmark in order to have them rebuilt into MSX2.

By BiFi

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30-07-2004, 11:05

Haven't read all the previous replies...

I think if MSX2 had been the MSX SYSTEM, we'd be stuck with a non-growing system, just like Commodore 64. You can't call an Amiga 500 its successor because it lacks the 100% downward compatibility with the C64. The only real new feature in MSX2+ is the new VDP with 2 extra display modes and 3 extra registers.

To stay ahead of people going like MSX2+ has 3 new display modes: SCREEN 10 and SCREEN 11 are 100% identical when it comes to VDP mode settings. Only difference is how BASIC handles each of them. In BASIC SCREEN 10 is handled like a SCREEN 5+ mode (256x212x16 out of a palette of 512 colors) and has only two pages (like SCREEN 8). SCREEN 11 is handled more like a SCREEN 8+ mode (or SCREEN 12-).

Now we have system that really has grown up with its time.

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