MSX Software Database

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By anonymous

incognito ergo sum (109)

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06-12-2003, 18:04

A games database with downloads is not semi-legal it is completely illegal. There is no excuse for that.

Not if you own the original Smile. Right, like I said I'll not further discuss this matter here.
(I won't refrain from making the software archive though, 15 year old software for an obsolete computer that you cannot buy anymore is imho free to distribute, but hey who am I)

I've mailed sandy about the database (THE SOFTWARE LIST WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL SOFTWARE MIND YOU), so i'll see what happens. If all goes well, a beta listing will be for download soon.

By snout

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06-12-2003, 18:14

Don't get me wrong, I'm very enthousiastic about the databases like Tagoo and Generation MSX, which give you a lot of useful information.

However, you might have noticed that in Japan people are (succesfully) trying to revive the MSX computer again. As part of that revival some of the old MSX computer games (about 100) are actually on sale again @ Project EGG. Since in the MSX Revival every next step depends on the success of the previous step you're harming the MSX Revival with new initiatives like this.

If you own the original, you're not allowed to spread the software, you're only allowed to create a backup for your own use (like.. not destroying your beautiful original disks, for instance) in most countries.

I think creating an MSX warez downloads dataase is a true waste of time, why not spend your time with legal stuff instead (like creating new MSX Software for instance Tongue)

By anonymous

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06-12-2003, 18:24

Your opinion, however humble it is, does not matter. As you might know by reading the news archive of this site, an official MSX emulator (called MSX PLAYer) exists, which you can buy (by buying MSX Magazine). Together with the MSX Game Reader, you can use nearly all 15 year old software, so the software is not obsolete. Additionally, a lot of the software you want to put online is FOR SALE online, for use with MSX PLAYer.

So neither of your arguments hold water. Even then, abandonware does not exist, and it's illegal to distribute copyrighted programs even if you own the originals.

If you want to preserve the MSX software in their true form, maintain a database of hashvalues. People can then make/find/buy copies and compare them with the hashvalue in the database to see if their copy is correct, and not damaged or otherwise broken.

By ro

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06-12-2003, 18:43

here we go again...

By anonymous

incognito ergo sum (109)

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06-12-2003, 18:44

Your opinion, however humble it is, does not matter. As you might know by reading the news archive of this site, an official MSX emulator (called MSX PLAYer) exists, which you can buy (by buying MSX Magazine). Together with the MSX Game Reader, you can use nearly all 15 year old software, so the software is not obsolete. Additionally, a lot of the software you want to put online is FOR SALE online, for use with MSX PLAYer.

So neither of your arguments hold water. Even then, abandonware does not exist, and it's illegal to distribute copyrighted programs even if you own the originals.

If you want to preserve the MSX software in their true form, maintain a database of hashvalues. People can then make/find/buy copies and compare them with the hashvalue in the database to see if their copy is correct, and not damaged or otherwise broken.

(As I had expected, this whole discussion diverted from the original subject, the creation of a software database with a software listing ONLY. I will not distribute software on this forum. Only the excel-sheet database or whatever format it will take on.)

The existence of an emulator for sale makes the games not obsolete any more? There wouldn't even be msx-emulators if the msx-system wasn't obsolete, would there? If there would still be msx-computers made, and to my knowledge there aren't, then it would be a different story altogether. Or are you saying that MSXPlAYer has bought the copyrights of all the games?

By snout

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06-12-2003, 18:45

Yeah, it's getting quite a familiar routine indeed. Nuff said about it this time? Smile Let us indeed focus on the legal part of the discussion.

By anonymous

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06-12-2003, 18:50

Yeah, it's getting quite a familiar routine indeed. Nuff said about it this time? Smile Let us indeed focus on the legal part of the discussion.

Which in fact does not exist, because the subject of this topic is about a database with NO software, just the info about the software. So, on topic! Smile

By anonymous

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06-12-2003, 19:17

The existence of an emulator for sale makes the games not obsolete any more? There wouldn't even be msx-emulators if the msx-system wasn't obsolete, would there? If there would still be msx-computers made, and to my knowledge there aren't, then it would be a different story altogether. Or are you saying that MSXPlAYer has bought the copyrights of all the games?
MSX PLAYer can be regarded as an msx-computer. It's an official, commercial means of playing MSX games, just like real hardware MSX computer would.

Anyway, I suggested the use of hashvalues for the database, which makes the database not only record data like title and date, but also store a fingerprint of the actual software. SHA-1 hash should be more than enough.

By mars2000you

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06-12-2003, 19:37


MSX PLAYer can be regarded as an msx-computer. It's an official, commercial means of playing MSX games, just like real hardware MSX computer would.

That's why MSX-PLAYer is a very limited emulator : no multiple screenshot feature, no saving of the music in a wav file, no saving of the state emulation, no debugger, no configurability (except skins for the look !), no support for MSX-AUDIO and Moonsound, I stop here because the list of missing features is like a mountain of forbidden actions !

To get back the topic : a list with all existing MSX games, tools, demos, magazines, ... can't be a source of problems if this list doesn't include copyrighted downloadable files. But freeware can be included without any problems !

By anonymous

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06-12-2003, 20:03

>>
MSX PLAYer can be regarded as an msx-computer. It's an official, commercial means of playing MSX games, just like real hardware MSX computer would.<<

To get back the topic : a list with all existing MSX games, tools, demos, magazines, ... can't be a source of problems if this list doesn't include copyrighted downloadable files. But freeware can be included without any problems !

I think that goes beyond the scope of the actual database. But I would be happy to create a freeware archive / public domain archive somewhere in the near future, if i can provide for the webspace. Otherwise it will be on P2P networks to download.

Hash info is a good tip Guyver, i will keep that in mind for the next update. Thanks.

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