MSX, SymbOS images?

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By meits

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26-07-2018, 17:45

I never liked conversions. But ey, that's subjective... Every comversion does live by the rules of what MSX can display anyhoo... It's just that there's quite often artefacts in them.

By sd_snatcher

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26-07-2018, 23:36

@RealHuman

First, I would like to congratulate you for such nice initiative. A website for multi-platform Pixel Art is a great idea!

But there's the controversy about conversions. I'm not judging, but your repository seems to have plenty of images where converters were heavily used at least at some point.

Amiga:

Amstrad CPC:

Atari 8bit

Atari ST:

Commodore 64:






Sam Coupe

ZX-Spectrum:


My two cents is that it's not easy to draw a line. These days, nearly everyone will use modern tools to draw the images, and some conversion will be taken at least at some step.

I think that nobody likes when images are just straight photo conversions like some of the examples above. But there are some other cases where you can clearly see that the artist has put a lot of effort in the pre and post processing. In these cases, who am I to say that someone's art isn't a real piece of art just because of the process he/she used?

If such form of expression is left out, then you'll probably have mostly to restrict your repository to images that were hand drawn in the 80's, in their native systems.

By sd_snatcher

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26-07-2018, 23:29

For example, one of my favorite artists these days is Wakachan. He's a Japanese Pixel Artist from the 80s that is still active, and produced a lot of content for Japanese PC computers (mostly the PC-98 and PC-88).

He admittedly always made heavy use of conversion to produce the PC-98 images. I dare someone to say that this can't be considered art: Smile

BTW, I have tons of Pixel Art collected since long, for Japanese machines like the MSX, PC-88, PC-98 and X68000. Let me know if you're interested on adding them to your website.

By NYYRIKKI

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27-07-2018, 08:44

wolf_ wrote:

Of course there were the art galleries from the MSX magazines, but they weren't all great and certainly weren't pushing the creative boundaries much. A few positive exceptions would include BCF.

I agree that in Europe the picture art scene was pretty minimal, but in Japan the situation was quite a bit better. ie. MSX-FAN packed bunch of reader pictures to their disk magazines regularly. There were some other magazines to release art as well... Here is ie. one example from Peach Up magazine:

By RealHuman

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27-07-2018, 15:19

@sd_snatcher I think most of the images you posted are not conversions but redrawn. Especially Boris Vallejo is often redrawn by scene artists. Here you can see some comparisons:
http://www.kameli.net/nocopy/noc2.htm
I beliebe this still requires some skills.

By sd_snatcher

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27-07-2018, 21:29

I agree that some might be redrawn, others might have used a conversion as a starting point, while those above for the Sam Coupé and Atari-8bit are just straight photo conversions.

I don't have anything against the use of a conversion as a starting point. Just as many artists back in the day started drawing on paper, then scanned this sketch and worked over it. As long as the artist heavily puts his heart on it, I consider it to be art. Smile

By sd_snatcher

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27-07-2018, 22:55

BTW, I found many more images in your Gallery that are just straight conversions:

Atari ST:









Amiga:

By sd_snatcher

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27-07-2018, 22:57

RealHuman wrote:

@sd_snatcher I think most of the images you posted are not conversions but redrawn. Especially Boris Vallejo is often redrawn by scene artists. Here you can see some comparisons:
http://www.kameli.net/nocopy/noc2.htm

I forgot to mention: great site, this one! Thanks for the tip!

By RealHuman

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27-07-2018, 23:54

sd_snatcher wrote:

I forgot to mention: great site, this one! Thanks for the tip!

Thank you! It means a lot when people appreciate something. I know the gallery is not perfect but I am open to suggestions.

Perhaps 100% original art should be labelled somehow? But then how to be 100% it's original? I also don't what to make people angry. Some of the people who redrawn an image or two are quite legendary on the scene. I don't want to label them as "worse". Maybe if I had a 30+ years reputation and a small fandom I could but I am too little to start wars Big smile

BTW: You are sdsnatcheralpha, right? The author of "MSX Pixel Art Preservation Collection"? If so- amazing work! Helped me implement some .SC* formats (non-sprited for now). Also you might want to check your "big mail service from Google" sometimes Wink

By sd_snatcher

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28-07-2018, 01:54

NYYRIKKI wrote:

but in Japan the situation was quite a bit better. ie. MSX-FAN packed bunch of reader pictures to their disk magazines regularly. There were some other magazines to release art as well...

Indeed. The MSX-Magazine also published a lot of wonderful Pixel Art for the MSX. Many of those were never found again in digital format.

Since you probably have never seem them, RealHuman, check this thread for a small sample and tell us what you think of them.

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