Obsolete Video Games Now Legal to Own

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By anonymous

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04-11-2003, 12:13

Let's not go into the discussion again on what you can and cannot legally copy in the netherlands.

The point is, DMCA made it illegal to crack copy protections and now it's legal again to do so on old, obsolete products. This has always been legal in (most) EU countries, and will hopefully stay that way...

Although due to pressure from the USA some heavy copyright and patent laws are coming our way Crying The USA is doing the same to Japan btw, as noted by the MRC in the 'don't rip'-thread.

By anonymous

incognito ergo sum (109)

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05-11-2003, 20:39

if a computer such as msx will come on the market and al games are unprotected by law There will be no MSX copying was one of the reasons that msx fell off the market!

so i think it is a bad idea to folow america! if you have any idea what game developing costs these days about aprox. €10.000.000 so if everybody keeps copying in stead of buying the software market will have allot financial damage! Crying

and if nobody buys games any more the game market will fell apart Shocked!

By mth

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05-11-2003, 23:59

DRVENOM:
I don't say this often, but Guyver is exacly right about this. Wink The change is only about copy protection circumvention, not about copying itself.

I'll try to clarify it with an example. John is a retrogamer who lives in the USA and who bought an original SD Snatcher on eBay. SD Snatcher contains a copy protection on the disks. That copy protection makes it impossible to play SD Snatcher in an emulator.

Under the old DMCA it was illegal for John to remove that copy protection. So even though he owned the game, he was not allowed to play it on an emulator. He would have to buy an MSX machine as well, or he couldn't play his game.

The change to the DMCA allows John to remove the copy protection, because MSX machines are no longer being manufactured. It doesn't allow any of his friends to copy and play SD Snatcher, only John himself is allowed to do so.

Personally, I think the whole DMCA is a bad idea anyway. It gives media companies power over the way consumers are allowed to use video, music, games etc. They can use the DMCA to forbid you to skip trailers on DVDs, cheat when playing games, play CDs you legally bought on a portable MP3 player etc. All things which by themselves are not illegal, but which you cannot do without breaking the copy protection and that is illegal under the DMCA.

By ricbit

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06-11-2003, 02:56

DRVENOM:
SD Snatcher contains a copy protection on the disks. That copy protection makes it impossible to play SD Snatcher in an emulator.

Sorry for the off-topic, but does SD Snatcher really have a copy protection? In the case it has one, which kind of copy protection?

Never dumped an original SD Snacther, and now you left me curious Smile

By mth

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27-11-2003, 21:32

Sorry for the off-topic, but does SD Snatcher really have a copy protection? In the case it has one, which kind of copy protection?

I think Sean Young said so, but I don't remember where (mailinglist, newsgroup or private mail). I was surprised, as I think the RAM in the SCC+ cartridge already functions as a pretty good protection. It's likely Konami deliberately put the RAM in pages 8..15 instead of 0..7 to make it harder for owners of The Snatcher to run SD Snatcher illegally with the same cartridge.

By POISONIC

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06-12-2003, 16:47

euh the scc+ + 64kb ram as a copy protection???
if it had a copy protection it would be a bad sector copy protection because if the 64 kb ram was the copy protection it would always work on machines with 128 kb ram or more and the protection failed i guess the hardest msx game to crack was the best msx game ever :SOLID SNAKE metalgear 2

By Arjan

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06-12-2003, 16:53

no it wouldn't just work with 128kB ram, because it actually checks if there's an SCC+ with 64kB RAM inserted.

By anonymous

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06-12-2003, 17:27

Also, the 64K is mapped in 8kB pages konami-style, not 16kB ASCII style.

By POISONIC

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06-12-2003, 21:04

ok i did not now that but now i know.. tanks Wink

By BiFi

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06-12-2003, 22:07

Both mth and Poisonic are right.

The original SD-Snatcher does not work without the Sound Cartridge the 3 disks are shipped with. It has RAM located on different blocks to distiguish it from the Snatcher Sound Cartridge.

Also, the first disk (bootdisk) has a bad sector which to act as a copy protection. I will not go into details on which sector it actually is though...

And about Arjan's reply, neither of the games check for a 128 KB SCC+ though Wink

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