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By gdx

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27-07-2016, 17:03

mars2000you wrote:

several pages about the different versions with repetition of the specifications on each page (as it was before recent change by RetroTechie and myself).

I do not understand why that's a problem. The guy who seeks information on the HB-F700D will find what he seeks in the dedicated page. The guy who does the wikis must just make a few copy/paste when necessary. Lots of wikis are missing. Why waste time with this? We get nothing out of it.

By Manuel

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27-07-2016, 21:39

As I explained when I came up with this: the problem is that it's hard to keep it in sync. People may easily forget to adjust the same information in multiple places. They may not even know it also exists in other places. Or people simply do not take the time to make the change in multiple places. Remember that anyone can edit the Wiki...

In general, this is also why you will read everywhere that information duplication (within a single 'thing') should be avoided (e.g. in programming too). In other words: within no time things are inconsistent, while in essence it's exactly the same information, so it seems much better to keep it in a single place.

By tvalenca

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27-07-2016, 22:03

ricbit wrote:
Manuel wrote:

Is slower loading going to happen with nowaday's internet speeds?

These days a lot of users has limited bandwidth on mobile, some with data caps. I don't know about mrc but a lot of websites are reporting over 50% of traffic coming from mobile.

Probably not that much, they are still using this 2000's like mobile unfriendly layout.

By Manuel

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27-07-2016, 22:54

And as was always the case: pictures can be loaded later while you can already read the text. And even mobile connections are quite fast nowadays.

By gdx

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28-07-2016, 01:41

Manuel wrote:

As I explained when I came up with this: the problem is that it's hard to keep it in sync.

As I explained it's easy to keep it in sync. Just a few copy / paste. The closely models are not many and the principal explanations has already been put. There are very few updates to add. Just a few errors to correct or some clarifications to add.

By RetroTechie

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29-07-2016, 00:08

gdx wrote:

As I explained it's easy to keep it in sync. Just a few copy / paste.

No offense, but if you don't understand why needless duplication is bad, then you're an idiot. Basically if you create X copies of something, each of those will be out of date or incorrect in places. At best in just a few places or for a short time. With X=2 it's just a smaller problem then if X=10. Those "just a few copy & paste" is wasted time, period. Time of both editors and Wiki readers.

Likewise you don't put a copy of an MSX-Basic manual or description of the Z80 CPU on each page. You say what chips are in there, and look up that info on pages describing those chips. Ideally you'd have each tidbit of relevant info in one (1) place only. Of course that's impossible to achieve since Wikis are created by humans... Tongue (but you can still strive for it)

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The closely models are not many (..)

Wrong again. Different models based on the same hardware are very common. For a hint: roughly half the service manuals I've got, deal with >1 model. And that's not counting (for example) Arabic models that have different color case & different ROMs but the same hardware as [insert 'parent' model here].

Now whether you keep differences between models on one page, or move those differences onto pages of their own, that's worth discussing. I'd offer a rule of thumb: if the section(s) describing differences end up taking the bulk of the page (with the common part being less than say, half the page), then it's worth moving those sections into their own page(s). If you have 4/5th of a page describing what's common, and 1/5th explaining differences between related models, then better keep it on one page. Pictures are an obvious 'pain point' here as they tend to take up a lot of space on a page (besides bandwidth Wink ).

By gdx

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29-07-2016, 03:00

RetroTechie wrote:

No offense, but if you don't understand why needless duplication is bad, then you're an idiot.
Basically if you create X copies of something, each of those will be out of date or incorrect in places.

As I explained the X copies caused by closely models are not many.

RetroTechie wrote:

Wrong again.

What?! LOL!

RetroTechie wrote:

Different models based on the same hardware are very common.

You're probably the only one who not understand that I speak of models with a reference just a little different. Otherwise all MSX are obviously common. I'm an idiot but you a perfect moron.

In short, your comments are pointless and your interventions in the wiki are too minimal to open your bad-mouth like that.

By Meits

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29-07-2016, 02:43

In this Sony 700 case it's quite simple. There are a few different models only saying in which region it was released. Having several wiki's about that is a bit over the top. The Philips vg8235 has quite some more rigorous models and just one wiki page suffices simply because it's the vg8235. That should go for the other computers as well since the wikis are about global information. Not about schematics.

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By rolandve

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29-07-2016, 10:22

Having returned from my holidays, I can still confirm that bandwidth is an issue. There are still locations (like in the middle of the USA) where your only connectivity is through a modem (yes.. that archaic device that uses analog sounds through wires). They simply live it, by being selective about the sites they visit Smile

By Meits

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29-07-2016, 10:55

Text won't be an issue and the appearance wouldn't be a big issue either...
Unless French people would be offended by seeing a 700P instead of a 700F, a general picture should do Running Naked in a Field of Flowers

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