RISKY RICK FOR MSX !!! (post to make it a reality)

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By Manuel

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23-11-2019, 09:26

Come on, this model is the only one with bad cursor key layout. It's quite bad in general anyway.

By ArcadeVision

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23-11-2019, 10:37

Not the only, but the worst. One is enough to have to find a way to not forgot users. As said previously, the demo layout is not the final one (testing keys). You can use controller to play or redefine keys.

Thank you for your feedback.

By fano

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23-11-2019, 09:38

"Alexey" wrote:

So, it's a 49kb ROM located on first 3 pages and starting from the second page - pretty standard approach - no mapper needed. I tried to play the game a bit and found it pretty much unplayable with the current keyboard layout. IMO the current buttons assignment is horrible and unless some customization is possible, the game will be a pain to play.

Thank for the feedback , i'm used to play it with 2 buttons controllers on MSX, we'll try to find better layout Wink

By fano

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23-11-2019, 09:41

Manuel wrote:

Come on, this model is the only one with bad cursor key layout. It's quite bad in general anyway.

Sorry to say but cursor is not pretty ergonomic on general case (like the CPC464 cursor keys), nothing to see with PC standart disposition like the CPC 6128.Btw, thanks for the feedback, we'll see to find a better layout.

By Pablibiris

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23-11-2019, 10:11

The option to choose cursors in a MSX is esential Smile

By TotO

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23-11-2019, 13:10

Hello,

Don't forget that is originaly a port form the ColecoVision and the game was designed to play with a controller.
Obviously, the cursor keys are essential and will be used at end to control the player. (i.e. Konami games)

The demo made for file-hunter.com came from a code split that was testing for an alternative keymap. Hard coded, it currently can't support two keysets, but let possible to play using the controller and redefine keys because it is running on a PC for you. I'm going to ask if we can set the emulator configuration before launching the game.

By Pencioner

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23-11-2019, 11:14

If it would not be possible to change to cursor keys, it would be frustrating to MSX people. I remember having all time discussion with my classmate who has ZX Spectrum for a long before, and we never agreed which layout is best. Now i understand that it is like always - whatever you get used to first is always the best Smile If you don't have time to implement settings screen, there might be solution to have to layouts, and you press something (say, cursor key) at boot to change to that layout

By ArcadeVision

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23-11-2019, 14:12

Pencioner wrote:

If it would not be possible to change to cursor keys, it would be frustrating to MSX people.

The demo test an alternative keymap for peoples not using cursors, neither a controller.
The emulator setting was updated. Please, enjoy now the Risky Rick demo with cursor keys.
Crtl, Space or Z, X (qwerty) or W, X (azerty) are fire keys.

Pencioner wrote:

If you don't have time to implement settings screen, there might be solution to have to layouts, and you press something (say, cursor key) at boot to change to that layout

Sure. The game already test the button pressed by the player to attribute the fire and jump order.
So, we agree that should be improved in this way. Thank you.

By sd_snatcher

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23-11-2019, 15:25

I did some testing, and here's the feedback. It's was done as a contribution, and not as criticism, ok? Smile

BTW: great graphics!

1) Compatibility tests

- Sony HB-F500P: passed
- Toshiba HX-23F: passed
- Sony HB-10P: passed
- NEOS MA-20: failed
- Acid1Test: passed
- Acid2Test: failed
- Turbo CPUs: passed

2) Other issues:

The controls sometimes feel a bit sticky/unresponsive. Enabling the turbo seems to alleviate that.

3) Suggestions

- It would be nice to be able to press STOP to pause the game
- Please add joyMega support. This way we could have specific buttons to FIRE and drop TNT (and START to pause)
- The name input screen should also accept direct typing
- Some background music is welcome and improves the immersion
- Since the game is well-behaved with turbo, please enable it as a courtesy on machines that have the CHGCPU BIOS call

4) Some thoughts about the directional keys controversy

This definitely is where the game needs more polishing. During the tests, I kept struggling all the time with the alien QAOP+SPACE+CTRL nightmare. The traditional directional+SPACE+M/N control scheme of the MSX would provide a much more pleasant experience.

My suggestion for the key/button mapping would be:

- UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT: MSX Directionals
- SPACE, SPACE+LEFT, SPACE+RIGHT: strike
- N: jump
- SPACE+UP, B: fire
- SPACE+DOWN, DOWN+B: TNT
- STOP: pause

On an MSX joystick it would be:
- UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT: directionals
- T1, T1+RIGHT, T1+LEFT: strike
- T1+UP: fire
- T1+DOWN: TNT
- T2: jump

On a Megadrive joypad, it could be:
- UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT: directionals
- B, B+LEFT, B+RIGHT: strike
- C: jump
- A: fire
- DOWN+A: TNT
- START: pause

But I wouldn't worry about a key remapper just to try to workaround for one or another model that have poor direction key design. It would just add a lot of unnecessary code, while 99% of the other MSX models feature great directional keys, even better than the horrible inverted T of modern PCs or those ridiculously small up/down keys of the modern Macs.

IMHO, the best approach would be to do the same that nearly all MSX games do: to support both the directional keys and the joystick simultaneously, without need for any configuration. This allows the user to change from one to another mid-game, without any boring configuration/restart/etc.

Then, on machines that have poor directional keys (Philips VG-8010, Casio PV-7, Hitachi MB-H1 mk1) or no keys at all (Zemmix consoles), people will do what they have being doing for ages with all other games: use a good joystick.

By ArcadeVision

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23-11-2019, 16:10

Thank you for your feedbacks. They are welcome. Smile
About the cursors key, I think that noboby read our answers.

We agree fact that peoples who don't have a good keyboard can use joystick.
Best, use joystick for all action games, you was lucky to have a computer with that. oO

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