Shark Hunter and Toulouse Engelhardt (and other borrowed music)

By Wild_Penguin

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24-10-2015, 18:09

I've been listening to some classical / acoustic guitar music (I'm trying to learn some myself) and stumbled upon an artist called Toulouse Engelhardt a while back.

I found he has made a piece of music called "autopia" in which the main theme sounds awfully like the jingle in Shark Hunter when the shark hunting season (or whatever) is over!

Now is this a consequence, or did the makers of Shark Hunter listen to Toulouse (that piece is made in the 70s so it is possible)? Or, is this some classical music piece that Toulouse is just making a version of? Toulouses version does sound a quite a bit like some classical music, especially later on, and I have a feeling it may be borrowed from somewhere else - I just can't put my head around, who is he borrowing here, if he indeed has borrowed someone. It wouldn't be the first time I "find" some classical music being borrowed. That's the main reason I'm posting this, since I really like to find out the origins of pieces I seem to recognize :) Somehow it bugs me if I don't :P

I wouldn't be suprised if even the main theme in "Shark Hunter" would be borrowed. Not that they meant to rip off someone - it could be someone so famous, that the makers just didn't feel the need to credit / mention where the music is from, because they assume people will recognize it anyways. I believe this was the case with a lot of music in the early days (or decades) of Video Games - Jet Set Willy has classical music in every version I've seen (except Atari), and another well known example is Mario Bros.

So, do you have any other examples of music being "borrowed" into MSX games? I believe there are loads, and some might not be that clear - and usually they are uncredited!

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By Manuel

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24-10-2015, 20:41

The video doesn't work here... (it's "not available in my country").

You're probably interested in this wiki article: http://www.msx.org/wiki/Musical_influences_in_MSX_games

Also, Paul Johnson, who was part of the Electric Software team, can be contacted to ask about this :P See http://www.msx.org/forum/semi-msx-talk/msx-related/blast-msx...

By Manuel

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24-10-2015, 21:05

Also, according to Discogs, "Autopia" is not on the 1975 Vinyl release of Toulouse Engelhardt's LP "Toullousions": http://www.discogs.com/Toulouse-Engelhardt-Toullusions/relea...
The song is in a later CD release of 1997: http://www.discogs.com/Toulouse-Engelhardt-Toullusions/relea...

I found a part of the song on some web site and the first part is just a cover of "'Fröhlicher Landmann" by Schumann, see e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYB1FEJrdNE (which most Dutch people will clearly recognize as "Hij komt, hij komt", the Sinterklaas music was based on the same song).
Couldn't find the rest of that song though, so maybe later it's based on something else.

By Wild_Penguin

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25-10-2015, 08:58

So the Shark Hunter "Game won" -theme is indeed the "Fröhlicher Landmann". That's also the piece I've heard somewhere (seems it's from a colletion of music for children, which seems appropriate for the game, too).

Also, Toulouse does funny things with well known melodies. It may well be that Toulouse Engelhardt put "Autopia" only on the re-release. Also, it is very much possible the rest of "Autopia" is a play on some other melody(/ies). In case you're interested, this kind of thing is a kind of trademark of his - taking well known melodies and re-making, sometimes with a humorous twist; look for "Flying Saucerama" or "Bach to the Future" (both from "Martian Lust" album) for example - they're excellent Smile. Oh, in case you like early 19th/20th century rag music, also look for his "Electro-Magnetic Rag", I just love the cover art and the play on the original pieces name Tongue