I just wracked my FD - what could i do?

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By Pencioner

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11-01-2018, 18:36

Hi

I feel myself rather very stupid now, because seems i just wracked my floppy drive on Sanyo PHC-70FD

You may laugh at me, i suppose i desire it, because i'm so very stupid... I received a Wordpess+ Boxed, like new, blah-blah... and i was stupid enough not to just buy it untested with no claim to be working, but also to just insert this disk into my computer... it has loud cracky-wheezy sound when the computer tried to read the disk and after that my floppy doesn't work anymore. I think that disk head had contact with the surface. It can't read floppies anymore, trying to format the floppy gives me Disk error after some time... fromatting didn't complete.

I can't express how much i am frustrated at the moment, unbelievable, i've lost all caution at all over years when it comes to floppies Sad Don't even try to put old disks into the drive! Sad

I hope somebody is aware about that - how hard is to replace the floppy drive on Sanyo Wavy 70FD ? Or maybe adapt the PC drive? (i have a few decent Sony PC drives in Ukraine which are fine with 720K at least, not sure about 360 though) Or maybe use that famous FDD USB emulator? I don't which of options could fit though.

Another question (just in case i couldn't replace it or so) - if i'm going to sell it with no working FDD, it is on very good state, memory expanded to 512K internally, PSU reworked to power from 220V - how much is the fair price without the floppy? I'm not sure if i will sell it because even without floppy it is still a nice computer but at other side if i can't fix it somehow it will remind me of this bullshit which just happened and i'm not sure if i will get used to it...

Thanks in advance.

PS: R.I.P. nice floppy drive which uses no belts... i was sure you will have a long life. Forgive me... Sad

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By Grauw

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11-01-2018, 18:46

For what it's worth, I never exercise caution when using disks, I wouldn't even know what to check for. So I don't think you did anything unusual / stupid, much less laughable.

By hamlet

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11-01-2018, 18:49

Sh*t happens... Don´t worry, the hardest part should be to find a matching drive.
I remember JACS sells a Sanyo70FD with a pc drive, he should know more...
I would use a separate drive and leave the Sanyo untouched. Don´t sell it, and if you do, sell it to me!

By Pencioner

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11-01-2018, 20:03

@ hamlet i don't know yet what i will do. btw, i even misspelled the software name. it is wordstore plus, not wordpress (i think my subsoncious mind replaced it). i think i need to calm down and then just listen to myself, no decisions while being nuts

By Philip

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11-01-2018, 21:04

Did the spring to close the shutter perhaps fall into the floppy drive ?
Otherwise maybe it's possible to clean the head. I've heard about cleaning floppies.

By Pencioner

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11-01-2018, 21:32

No, the spring is on that floppy disk, though the floppy disk surface has two very visible circle scratches at one side, and three very visible and a few barely visible on other side... i wonder if the drive head was damaged. Sound partially was like when you scratch the glass with something sharp. So i'm not sure. Of course i don't have any cleaning floppy here so i can't tell if it would help or not

P.S. Is this the one you are talking about? https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ST-PC-Atari-Amiga-3-5-inch-Flop...

By hamlet

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11-01-2018, 22:12

Ah, it would be much better to open the drive, take some alcohol and a cotton swab and clean it that way. Once the drive is open you will see the damage.

By Philip

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11-01-2018, 22:25

And if it's not fixable, here are all kind of replacement manuals:
http://msx.hansotten.com/do-it-yourself/msx-floppy-drives/
Otherwise an Gotek drive is an option...

By Pencioner

Paladin (682)

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11-01-2018, 22:51

I already looked over the replacement manuals on this link, thanks. A few ones especially for this Sanyo Smile

By wyrdwad

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12-01-2018, 04:40

I've heard that noise before, and it scared the crap out of me. Turned out it was because the disk platter was moldy as all hell -- a semi-common problem that I learned about because of a friend who's dealt with it many times in the past.

I can't help you for repairing your FDD, but in the future, whenever you buy an old disk, I recommend pushing the metal window aside so you can see the platter, then holding it under a bright light and looking for "splotches." You can turn the platter with your fingernail from the hole in the circular part on the underside, and just make sure there are no (or at the very least, few) noticeable splotches anywhere on either side of the disk platter. If there aren't, then you can place the disk in your drive with confidence; if there are, then you might want to either keep the disk away from your drive, or look into cleaning it.

I don't think a little bit of mold/dirt hurts things all too much (though it may make some sectors on the disk unreadable), but when you have a LOT of it, it can interfere with the disk platter's ability to spin, and the mold/dirt can become attached to the drive head as well.

Cleaning disks is a seemingly impossible task, as far as I can tell -- I've never been able to do it successfully -- but my friend Michelle has been able to clean the mold and dirt off of just about every disk I've sent her over the years, so it can definitely be done with a little delicacy and some know-how.

-Tom

By gdx

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13-01-2018, 00:12

The floppy drive is not really useful on MSX nowadays. You can use a flash card adapter for almost all software.
It must even be possible to remove the internal Disk-ROM to avoid having to press SHIFT at startup.

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