Sanyo MSX2+ vs. SONY and PANASONIC.

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By nagumobean1

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19-08-2009, 09:41

Hello everybody,

I'm going to Japan next month and I'm planning to buy an MSX2+ if I found one in good shape/good price (Superpotato maybe?).

I have my Sony HB-700S hooked to a Commodore 1084s through a RGB cable and I would like my MSX2+ to be plugged to the same monitor in the same way since plugging it to the HDTV in the living room is pretty inconvenient for me.

I heard/read that only the SANYO MSX2+ (and not the SONY or PANASONIC ones) can be plugged to the Commodore 1084s with a RGB cable. Is that true?

If so, which are the advantages and/or disadvantages of the 3 SANYO MSX2+ models when compared to the SONY and PANASONIC models (I want tape output).

Sorry about the long text and thank you all in advance.

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By Leo

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19-08-2009, 10:20

i have :

sony msx2+ XDJ
turbo R fs a1 st
sony hb700
panasonic msx2+ wsx

and i use the same cable for RGB DIN8 -> scart , it is compatible .
You may also check if your monitor supports 60hz , with vdp(10) =10 in basic

I like very much sony as a brand but the panasonic wx or wsx are the best msx2+ for me : easyly expandable to 256k/512k and they have a z80 that
can be put in turbo 5,3MHz and it is not ridiculous for some tasks.

Since your are paying for a ticket to japan you could take a turboR fs a1 ST ( gt might be too expensive ) ....

I dont know sanyo at all , the only thing i can tell is that their design is ugly on photos and they have kun-basic integrated which is nice but not really an advantage as compared to other msx since it can be loaded in ram also , i would prefer a z80 @ 5MHz without kun basic in rom but in ram to a z80 @ 3.5Mhz with kun basic inside.

the keyboard or panasonics like turboR or msx2+ wx wsx tends to be a bit noisy for me , the keyboard of hb700 is much more silent ( when it works )

By nagumobean1

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19-08-2009, 10:40

So you are using the same RGB DIN8 cable for all those computers?

Do you also plug'em to a Commodore 1084s? Mine doesn't support 60hz, it is PAL only. Sad

I still have my MSX SANYO MPC-200, my first computer back in 1986, and I had been always pretty happy with it except the cursor keys (kinda bitchy), and the reset button that doesn't work anymore.

But the only reason I was going with SANYO MSX2+ was thinking that it was the only MSX2+ usable with a RGB DIN8 cable on a Commodore monitor, if that is not so I'll try to get the best one I see, be it a SANYO, SONY or PANASONIC.

MSX Turbo...well, I'm kinda classic and I would like to be able to use my old tapes every now and then, so I guess it's a no.

PS: Wait, now that I read your reply well, you say RGB DIN8 -> scart...that doesn't go into a monitor, right? Are you plugging it to a TV?

By Leo

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19-08-2009, 11:18

yes i plug it into tv so i am using the same cable din8 to scart 21 pins .

i use also a cinch 1 for composite + 1 for mono sound on the sony xdj and msx turbo R , i dont remember if the panasonics msx2+ have one composite output ( i guess so ) .

if your commodore does not support 60Hz then it wil be difficult since the msx2+ boots on rom only in 60Hz , so you have to turn it back to 50Hz by hand and i guess when you launch a game by cassette or cartridge it calls the rom routine to change screen and then turn it back again to 60Hz.
Maybe changing the roms is the only way to do this : a bit complicated.

Some game may have a kind of function like press "code" key to set 50/60Hz but only a few .

I am not sure the panasonics msx2+ have a cassette connector.

btw , the commodore has what type of input ? composite ?

the hb700 has a din8 output for rgb and an other for "monitor" so you use the monitor output which more equivalent to composite cinch output.

--> get a better monitor like a 2nd hand lcd , you will save space as well.

By nagumobean1

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19-08-2009, 11:41

Yep, I think they have composite , but I'm actually using the RGB input from the monitor and the RBG output from the HB-700s (a computer that I really like, but it has some non-working keys and the joystick plugs are useless too...), and that is the one I pretended to use.

I read here: www.faq.msxnet.org/connector.html#Commodore1084s, that the same cable I'm using on for the HB-700S can be used for a SANYO MSX2+, hence my original question: Can I use SONY or PANASONIC MSX2+ on it (Commodore 1084s) too?

Maybe the 2nd LCD option is not a bad one, how do I plug an MSX2+ there? RGB to RGB (DIN)?

By Repair-Bas

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19-08-2009, 12:07

The commodore monitor is the same as all other Philips monitors like CM8833 or VS0080.
The sanyo works without problems on that monitor, even on 60 Hz
You only need a special cable from 8 pin din to 6 pin din.
sanyo wavy 70FD2 is also very nice, 2 drives, easy to expand to 128 kB, what's enough for most games.

By nagumobean1

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19-08-2009, 12:26

I actually got that cable from you years ago Bas (sometimes i get a pinkish screen with it thou, it has done that since the beginning, do you think its due to some loose cable on the inside? It has done that since day one).

I had set my eyes on the 70FD2, sounds nice. Obviously it won't be that easy to stumble upon it on my week in Tokyo, but let's give it a try.

By the way, does anybody know of stores selling MSX products in Kyoto?

PS: thanks Leo and Bas for your answers 'til now.

By Leo

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19-08-2009, 13:26

if u are planning to sell you hb700 as oyu get back from japan, let me know the price !

By nagumobean1

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19-08-2009, 13:32

It's actually not mine...let's say I have it on an eternal free lease from a beloved friend who knows I take good care of it.

I don't know if I'm going to be able to get an MSX2+ when in Japan but if I sell the HB-700 I'd let you know. Wink

By pitpan

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19-08-2009, 13:48

Ahum. Panasonic FS-A1 WX is perhaps the most complete MSX2+ computer around. It has cassette interface (WSX doesn't), FM built-in and a fruitful hi-clocked CPU mode. Of course, the Japanese wordprocessor firmware is also cool but quite useless. And it you are a real player, ren-sha turbo and hardware pause do help a lot. It has a 3.5" disk drive and only 64 KB RAM, as all MSX2+ computers, but it can be easily upgraded.

Go for this model!

By Leo

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19-08-2009, 13:49

there are some msx2+ on ebay u know , from time to time, might be easier.

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