New Wiki material: software/games

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By ren

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06-03-2018, 10:05

Some may have noticed already, based on the discussion Games that may damage PSG chips I've added some new material to the Wiki.

My idea is to add software (games) as pages like Blagger (1984, Alligata).
I added a couple of templates as well.

But I'm still busy setting this up properly, and will inform you more later today. Doesn't hurt to give you a heads up already ;)

Like I said in aforementioned forum thread: feedback is welcome.
I realize there's the category SceneSoftware
and company pages are added as Categories as well.

Regarding the latter: I went for a separate company page + category (see Alligata), instead of only a category (like it's done here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami). But perhaps I should fit to the current way. One thing that's nice about a company page (instead of category) is that it's much simpler to link to, but then using a category as main page is rather powerful I guess.

Ok, will post more later.

Btw: the idea is not to replace or compete with the pages of Generation MSX or something, but it's nice to have a (proper) place/way to add valuable information like the unsafe PSG stuff to the wiki here. (Nothing wrong with creating nice rich pages though.. :))

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By ren

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06-03-2018, 12:37

Proposal: subcategories (Hardware & Software) for companies (and groups?)

Example: https://www.msx.org/wiki/Category:ASCII

ASCII_Plus-X_Terminator_Laser should go into the (yet non-existing) category ASCII Hardware (and be removed from category ASCII).

Likewise for software (Category:ASCII Software) (example: Category:Alligata Software)

I see some apps have a wiki page already. None of the games have (that's where my new stuff I described in OP comes in).

Both aforementioned Software & Hardware (sub)categories should be added to (the existing) category ASCII.

Category:ASCII will now have 2 appropriate subcategories.

Btw: Group pages, as opposed to Company pages, ARE plain pages (and not categories), eg. Kralizec.
This does make things a bit inconistent, as you could also regard e.g. Kralizec to be a company.

Another inconsistency here: Category:Groups vs Category:MSX Companies. ('MSX' in the latter seems superfluous?)

By rderooy

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06-03-2018, 12:39

To me it seems like your duplicating GenMSX in wiki format, which I personally think is a waist of time. That msx.org has some software pages, sure why not. In some cases a Wiki format gives more freedom to give a more detailed explanation. On the other hand you loose the indexing and easy search-ability of a database such as provided by GenMSX.

I would suggest to request to Sandy to add a more generic "patches" section that can hold various types of patches such as PSG or MSX2 compatibility, etc. And in case you don't have access, just ask Sandy for admin access so you can add them.

By mars2000you

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06-03-2018, 13:19

The first thing to think about a Wiki is its user-friendly aspect. Creating too many subcategories will mean forcing the user to click on more links than it is normally required.

* Most companies have released only software ... A subcategory means an extra click.
* Most hardware companies don't have released software - A subcategory means an extra click.
* Many games have been released under several brand names, with a distinct reference: think about the Konami games released by Sony, Toshiba, Philips, etc.... Even your first example (Blagger) has been released by other companies. Can you imagine the number of subcategories???? And it should be useless, because when a user wants to find info about a game, it will make a research with the title of the game, not the company.
* Even some choices of subcategories on Generation MSX are source of problems: for example, there an useless distinction between Victor and Victor Co. of Japan with as result that if an user makes a research with only Victor, he will not find the VHD games and if he makes the research with only Victor Co. of Japan, he will not find the 'normal' ROM games.

I support also the reaction of rderooy because the first idea is add Wiki pages about games that are source of problems, not about all the released games! Making a complete cloning of Generation MSX should be pure waste of time.

Last notes:
* difference between scene products and commercial products justifies for me the difference of handling in the Wiki, it's not inconsistency
* some applications have indeed their detailed page on the Wiki (for example, most of the Yamaha applications). The category 'Software' is there used, but if you want to make it more clear, then I suggest to replace this category by two categories: Games and Applications (but please not 2 sub-categories, because it should mean an useless extra click).

By gdx

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06-03-2018, 13:16

I wonder if it is wise to do a general section for software because Generation MSX does it well. There is still a lot of work to do in the wiki just for the hardware. There is also the Scene section in which I do not really understand what to put. There is softwares in it while there was already a software section.

Before there are too many changes to make, would not it be time to decide which software to put in the Wiki and how to classify them? I think freewares are most interesting for the begining.

By wolf_

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06-03-2018, 13:22

@gdx;

In de scene section there should be pages for scene-individuals, scene-groups and scene-productions, preferably in imdb-style. In the people/group pages there is ample room for a bio, a list of contributions, trivia and other things. Think of all the fun anecdotes it could have! Often these get lost in random forum threads and news reactions. One of the goals of the foundation is to preserve MSX information for future generations, and for the unwelcome occasions when other websites (often one-man enterprises) go offline.

By gdx

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06-03-2018, 13:36

You talk about the homemade? Users and users products ? Commercial or not, does not it matter? It should be specified in the wiki.

By ren

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06-03-2018, 13:41

Thanks for some feedback, will read & digest. @mars200you: will you please refrain from editing (destroying) my stuff ATM?? It's still in proposal. Simply rude the way you go ahead there and altering already.

By gdx

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06-03-2018, 13:42

Ren, what he's going on in the wiki is not personal. It can be changed to anyone.

By ren

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06-03-2018, 13:55

@gdx: I made clear stuff is new & WIP, I make suggestions/proposals here, invested time in a template etc. He simply could have waited for my reaction on him here.

By wolf_

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06-03-2018, 13:58

gdx wrote:

You talk about the homemade? Users and users products ? Commercial or not, does not it matter? It should be specified in the wiki.

Just what we consider 'the scene'. You know, it can be all those from the demo-era in the 90's, it can be all the game submits for all those contests...

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