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By Grauw

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07-03-2018, 11:21

ren wrote:

You're an advocate of putting as much info as possible on a single page (so an user doesn't have to do extra clicking right?)
You do realize when an user uses the TOC (which is needed on a big page), he's clicking anyway?

Scanning through a page with the scroll bar is infinitely faster to find the information you want than clicking through several sub-pages which each need to load. So that comparison you’re making doesn’t hold up.

By mars2000you

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07-03-2018, 11:31

ren wrote:

I was pointing to the list of 'Pages in category "Konami"' on the bottom of the page.

That's exactly why all your arguments come in a trap. Why do you think there are all these tables above the bottom part? For 2 reasons:

a) the automatic displaying is not satisfying, for example the order of the computers or even the inclusion of all variants of the same computer (Sony page is the good example)

b) I think that only expert users (like you!) will be enough curious to check the bottom of the page; newcomers and normal users will be satisfied with the above tables.

Besides, there's a summary at the top of the pages. Only interested by Konami games? It's so simple to click on this link to go to the 'good' section of the page.

Not satisfying for the publications? Maybe, but take in consideration that magazines need to be handled differently, because magazines have a various content (the problem should normally not happen with books). It's not similar to hardware or software (except diskmagazines for which I will adapt soon the different existing pages). Same problem btw with the MSX Magazine of ASCII, I think it will be an apart page giving access to the pages corresponding to each publication, but it's also useful to add a general link on the ASCII page.

By gdx

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07-03-2018, 11:33

mars2000you wrote:

And to be clearer: no MSX1 software, MSX2 software, etc... but only MSX1, MSX2, MSX2+, MSX Turbo R as tags!

Tags are very useful when they are well chosen. There are already the MSX1 Computers, MSX2 Computers, etc tags. So why not MSX1 software, MSX2 software, etc? That would avoid any confusion.

An example of a bad tag: The demos are not always on disk!

By mars2000you

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07-03-2018, 11:36

gdx wrote:
mars2000you wrote:

And to be clearer: no MSX1 software, MSX2 software, etc... but only MSX1, MSX2, MSX2+, MSX Turbo R as tags!

Tags are very useful when they are well chosen. There are already the MSX1 Computers, MSX2 Computers, etc tags. So why not MSX1 software, MSX2 software, etc? That would avoid any confusion.

It's the door open to the excessive tags proposed by Ren, that's why I prefer to stay with MSX1, MSX2, MSX2+ and MSX Turbo R.

Besides, there is no source of confusion as they will be used only for software, not for hardware. Besides, as already discussed in the past, in the hardware, only the computers are linked to a MSX generation, and they have their own tags.

By mars2000you

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07-03-2018, 11:37

gdx wrote:

An example of a bad tag: The demos are not always on disk!

Good point! I think it's easy to fix! Smile

By mars2000you

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07-03-2018, 11:42

No multiple tags for demodisks and diskmagazines please. It will be a source of confusion, especially when the interface is MSX2 and the diskmagazine includes MSX1 BASIC games.

Or when the interface is MSX2 and there are FAC Soundtracker files that can be used on MSX1 outside this interface.

(and there are other examples)

By ren

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07-03-2018, 12:51

Grauw wrote:

Scanning through a page with the scroll bar is infinitely faster to find the information you want than clicking through several sub-pages which each need to load. So that comparison you’re making doesn’t hold up.

Sensible decisions. When a page gets too long (with stuff/info that indeed has to load (each time)) isn't good either.
Of course more modern pages lazy load (+ actively remove) content.

In my example, to trim the page down (if you'd want to), you could e.g. mention Konami's most prominent software, and put more detailed info, including the table that lists them all, on a separate/detail page. Should be quite clear for the user where to go/look(?)

But yeah, it would be a big + when sub-pages would be loaded via XHR/fetch instead of utilizing a full page load.

By ren

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07-03-2018, 13:39

Intermediate remark: I notice people hardly commenting their edits (out of laziness I reckon). Plus I doubt if people think about whether or not to mark it as a minor change.

For (long) existing pages it's very helpful to comment each edit. This way one can quickly take note of what edit has been done, and isn't more or less forced to do a diff..

Btw: personally, when appending (new) stuff, I tend to prepend my commit message with a + character.

By Grauw

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07-03-2018, 13:37

Generally I would say: KISS Smile.

By ren

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07-03-2018, 13:40

CALLING ME STUPID??? Evil Wink

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