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By Manuel

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21-03-2018, 17:51

Regarding machines released for the Dutch market: no machine with a qwertz keyboard was officially released on the Dutch market. I know of at least the following machines:
Of course all ordinary Philips machines, except VG-8000
Sony HB-55P, HB-75P, HB-201P, HB-501P, HB-F9P, HB-F500P, HB-F700P, HB-G900P
Goldstar FC-200
Yashica YC-64
Spectravideo SVI-728, SVI-738
Toshiba HX-10
Panasonic CF-2700
AVT/Daewoo DPC-200
Sanyo MPC-100 (possibly left over stock from UK)

More to follow later, perhaps...

So, the German version of the CF-2700 was not for the Dutch market.

By rderooy

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21-03-2018, 19:08

I agree with the "released" comment, having said that, there were certainly grey imports of German machines. Especially when Philips and Sony pulled out of the market and you could no longer buy a regular QWERTY model.

I actually had one of those grey import Sanyo MPC-100 systems as my first MSX.

By mars2000you

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21-03-2018, 19:27

rderooy wrote:

I agree with the "released" comment, having said that, there were certainly grey imports of German machines. Especially when Philips and Sony pulled out of the market and you could no longer buy a regular QWERTY model.

And the best proof for the FS-3900 is here: http://msxwf.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/IB27.pdf (pages 3 and 4) - Probably, Manuel does not have seen my post of 03/03/2018 here: https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/hardware/panasonic-fs-3900 - I guess it could be a good way to find an exemplar of this machine for adding it in openMSX!

By Manuel

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21-03-2018, 19:31

mars: that was not my point. My point was that these machines were not aimed at the Dutch market. I'm not sure why you mention the FS-3900, but that one was clearly not markted in the Netherlands. There is no advertisement of it anywhere. I'm basing my list on advertisements.

One I missed: Yamaha CX5M was also for the Dutch market. And probably the Toshiba HX-10 was also left over stock from the UK market, but I'm not 100% sure about that. (JVC HC-7GB also got to the NL via left over stock from the UK, by the way.)

By mars2000you

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21-03-2018, 19:38

Oh, I had well understood your point, that's why I had already updated the Wiki for the Panasonic machines before posting here.

But my point is elsewhere, and you know it, especially when I answer after a post speaking about grey imports. The context of my post has some importance!

By Manuel

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21-03-2018, 22:18

I'm still not sure what you mean. I wasn't talking about grey imports, but about 'machines aimed at a certain market'.

I forgot another machine: Canon V-20 and Mitsubishi ML-F80 (apparently, see below)

List of Dutch official importers:
Sony: Brandsteder Electronics, Badhoevedorp
Spectravideo: Electronics Nederland
Daewoo: Ectron and AVT Electronics
Canon: Holland Systema, Weesp
Panasonic: Haagtechno
(more to follow later)

Here's a list of MSX machines in the Netherlands in 1985, according to "Welke Thuiscomputers", issue 7 1985:
Canon V-20, 1095 NLG
Goldstar FC-200, 895 NLG
AVT MSX (Daewoo DPC-200), 699 NLG
Mitsubishi ML-F80 II, 998 NLG (remark: no idea where the "II" suffix comes from)
Panasonic CF-2700 (no price given)
Philips VG 8010, 849 NLG
Philips VG 8020, 1049 NLG
Sanyo MPC-100, 950 NLG
Sony HB-55P, 899 NLG
Sony HB-75P, 1099 NLG
Sony HB-201P, (no price given)
Spectravideo SVI-728, 1189 NLG

By rderooy

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23-03-2018, 11:10

On the Goldstar FC-200 page, it says there was a AZERTY keyboard version, but all the pictures are of QWERTY models, including the French model. The same when I try to search the internet, I cannot find a picture of a AZERTY version, or any real confirmation of such a version. Does anyone know if a AZERTY version actually exist?

Also, the 'dark-gray' model, does anyone know which market it was meant for?

https://www.msx.org/wiki/Goldstar_FC-200

By rderooy

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23-03-2018, 16:33

I created a table on the Goldstar FC-200 page, highlighting the differences, including the AVT and Vestel products.

Why did I include those? Because they are clearly still marked as "Goldstar FC-200", just with a AVT or Vestel logo added. Just like the French ASN Diffusion which *IS* included on the same page. As such it is likely that owners of the product will find the general Goldstar FC-200 page, before they find a sub-page.

Mars2000you, it would be appreciated if you communicate first instead of immediately deleting material!

By mars2000you

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23-03-2018, 16:36

THe AVT FC-200 has never been commercially released. It was only shown at fairs, so your table was wrong when indicating the requested gulden for this machine.

By rderooy

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23-03-2018, 16:39

But is that a good reason to delete the Vestel machine?

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