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By gdx

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22-02-2021, 10:06

Fixed. Thanks, Pencioner.

By Manuel

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22-02-2021, 21:54

gdx wrote:

Why are you in such a hurry to delete it? The wiki does indicate that many MegaRoms do not have these mirrors.

Because I already found the first people who used that information to adjust their software to take it into account. And so far we still have 0 evidence it's ever happening.
For example, the modifications for the ESE-RAM on your Garakuta cart may have caused it.

By gdx

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23-02-2021, 01:30

How do you know that these people adjusted their program because they read the wiki and not because they found mirrors? Anyway, these mirrors are not a problem.

Manuel wrote:

For example, the modifications for the ESE-RAM on your Garakuta cart may have caused it.

I used K. Tsujikawa's diagram so it's easy to check. Either you look at the diagram if you understand it or check if all the ESE-Rams have these mirrors even using a mirrorless MegaRom, or not.

By Manuel

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23-02-2021, 07:27

gdx wrote:

How do you know that these people adjusted their program because they read the wiki and not because they found mirrors? Anyway, these mirrors are not a problem.

Because when I asked the why the mirroring was added, the wiki article was mentioned as reference explicitly.

Where is the diagram you used?

By gdx

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23-02-2021, 09:05

Manuel wrote:

Because when I asked the why the mirroring was added, the wiki article was mentioned as reference explicitly.

Can you give me their contact e-mails or at least tell me for which projects?

Manuel wrote:

Where is the diagram you used?

https://mon-partage.fr/f/pJUHxd7n/

By Grauw

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23-02-2021, 09:39

@gdx Why do you not believe Manuel and ask for proof, while you expect us to blindly trust your recollection?

By gdx

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23-02-2021, 09:42

My ESE-RAM is not a recollection.

By Manuel

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23-02-2021, 14:45

It was Alexey for the carnivore 2 project. I am not ver good in reading electronics diagrams. Can someone check whether it would possibly introduce the mirroring of page 0 and 3?

By gdx

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23-02-2021, 15:16

It's better that the Carnivore2 emulates these mirrors even if no game cartridge has these mirrors because there are ESE-RAMs with mirrors.

For example, I have a Rom which contains a collection of Konami games. Juno First & Sparkie are not playable on OpenMSX because these mirrors are not emulated. ESE-RAM SCC has also these mirrors.

By Manuel

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23-02-2021, 15:30

They are playable if you emulate ESE-RAM....

There should not be a mix-up of ESE-RAM and what the ASCII8 and ASCII16 mappers do.

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