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By mars2000you

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02-04-2018, 09:15

Meits wrote:

HSH was German

and the prices are in gulden ...

Btw, this advertisement is clearly a reaction to illegal products of Dutch Sparrowsoft ... see the part 'the real thing, not the one that some bird dropped out of the sky" about MSX-DOS 2.20

By Manuel

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02-04-2018, 10:54

That's a German company dumping remaining stock of German HB-10D's on the Dutch market. That machine was never officially sold in the Netherlands. You shouldn't conclude from such advertisements that this machine was targeted for the Dutch market...

By mars2000you

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02-04-2018, 11:24

Just fixed the text that was not originally written by me (you can check that in the history).

By Manuel

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02-04-2018, 13:15

Thanks!

(It doesn't matter who wrote it... Let's just together try to get it as complete and accurate as possible.)

By Manuel

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02-04-2018, 23:14

mars, just a question: what's the point of adding the "Generation" for each of these songs in a demo like Pulsar? Especially if you also add that the music itself can be played also on MSX1 (which is seems obvious, as MSX2 has the same music capability as MSX1).
Why not just leave out that column?

By mars2000you

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03-04-2018, 00:26

The Pulsar demo is for MSX2. Someone who is not a MSX expert will not be able to extract (and fix) the MSX-BASIC files containing the songs.

The same can happen on other demos/music disks. Think about all the Soundtracker or Moonblaster songs that are generally enhanced with a MSX2 interface, but can actually be played on MSX1 without this interface. And in a few cases, the songs are also 'hidden' in the sectors!

I think this column can be useful for the non-expert MSX fan, to avoid some kind of confusion. Check also the Music section for https://www.msx.org/wiki/Clubguide_Magazine_02 - This column indicates MSX2, because not only the interface of the magazine, but also the beginning of the listing (with WIDTH 80 included) requires a MSX2. However, as these listings are not hidden in the sectors, it's easier to provide the tip for running these songs on MSX1.

On the other side, the problem is not exactly the same for a demo or music disk as for a (disk)magazine. After some thinking, I came to the conclusion that for (?most) demos and music disks, it's better to not repeat several times the 'default' required configuration.

By Manuel

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03-04-2018, 22:16

To add to the confusion, here's the manual of the Sony HB-10P/HB-10B:

It seems to be in Dutch, Danish (?) and Italian....

So that was the market for this machine? Still, as far as I know, it was never (officially) sold in the Netherlands. I don't know a single magazine that reviewed it either.

By mars2000you

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03-04-2018, 22:30

Probably Sony has changed his mind after having printed the manual...

By Meits

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03-04-2018, 22:31

Swedish

By Manuel

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03-04-2018, 22:50

Thanks, Meits! Smile Does someone know if this model was ever officially sold in Sweden or Italy?

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