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By ren

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08-03-2018, 13:25

Well you guys have been at this for a while now, I'm just coming along Wink

To my understanding gdx is actually advocating to use MSX1 Software instead of MSX1.
I haven't seem him talking about a generic Software tag (that's not useful right?)

Note that mars2000 does support a Games category.

I'll remove MSX1 software | Alligata Software | 1984 (software) | PSG sound | Enhanced Games

Do you think the cat Unsafe PSG is fine the way it is?

By ren

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08-03-2018, 13:48

Quote:

Don't touch to the specific Scene software, because it's the choice of the developers! You can't understand that, I know it, but the Dutch MSX scene has also his word on this matter.

I don't see them editing the wiki here. Wolf did in the past, and I believe he's not dictating anything.
So I don't think you should / have to be too stringent or rigid about that.

Quote:

I will not accept the MSX1 Software, MSX2 Software, etc categories.

You will not accept, but what bout the rest? Are you in charge here? (Well, I do believe you took upon you to extend / fix up the Scene Software section right?)

My suggestion is to decide stuff like this in a democratic matter with some people that are involved/care and/or have a good vision (so you, gdx & rderooy?) And perhaps let Grauw be the final judge, if we can't work something out Wink

Anyway, I'm still not sure what it is what gdx finds appropriate exactly Wink

By gdx

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08-03-2018, 13:41

Ren, the tags: "MSX1 software | Alligata Software | 1984 (software) | PSG sound | Unsafe PSG | Enhanced Games" were excessive.
I think the tags: "MSX1 software | Alligata | 1984 | Games" are sufficient.
I think the tags (as mars2000you): "MSX1 | Games" are insuffisants

By mars2000you

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08-03-2018, 13:46

gdx wrote:

I think the tags: "MSX1 software | Alligata | 1984 | Games" are sufficient.

Same opinion.

By ren

Paragon (1223)

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08-03-2018, 13:56

Hey, some change of mind?
You actually like the (a) year category?
Well, can be cool Smile

By Grauw

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08-03-2018, 14:41

Haha why me LOL! .

By ren

Paragon (1223)

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08-03-2018, 17:51

Had to put you in the story, now didn't I? Wink
(As the scholar perhaps, and potential impartial party Wink)

By wolf_

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08-03-2018, 21:00

ren wrote:
Quote:

Don't touch to the specific Scene software, because it's the choice of the developers! You can't understand that, I know it, but the Dutch MSX scene has also his word on this matter.

I don't see them editing the wiki here. Wolf did in the past, and I believe he's not dictating anything.
So I don't think you should / have to be too stringent or rigid about that.

I made pages for most of the scene persons and groups prior to MRC 2k12 going live. Most of 'm were like stubs, for a very good reason: I prefer the original persons and groups (or otherwise closely related persons) to fill in those pages. I'm not going to guess what anyone's bio could ever be. So, it's not really a case of abandoning the scene-wiki, it's just that it had to start somewhere with a fair amount of content, and it should be filled by those who actually can.

The only thing to keep in mind is the kind of difference between the real Wikipedia and the MRC-wiki. The real Wikipedia is a collection of general information, everyone who knows something about a subject, and has a gap to fill, is entitled to add knowledge. E,g, if some astronomer discovers a new planet in our solar system, than one person can add the new wiki, another can add some about the planet's composition, another person can add new pictures etc. The MRC scene-wike is more like a collection of (auto)biographies, and if you see a fairly detailed page, you can assume that the information is authentic and complete. Regardless of the open nature of a wiki, I'd like to suggest not to screw around with such content. Adding [[links]] 'n such is fine, adding a new production to the list of productions is no problem either. Scrubbing some faulty grammar away is fine as well. But adding to e.g. my biography that I'm the greatest Z80 coder in history, is kind of wrong. Hannibal

By Manuel

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08-03-2018, 22:19

I have a question about the Wiki article on AVT. The managing director of AVT was Lex van Tienhoven (probably that's where the abbreviation AVT comes from: Alexander Van Tienhoven). It is not clear to me at all what the relationship with the Belgian ECC (Europees Computer Centrum) is. That seems to be a Belgian computer shop who created some small series of projects like the Expansion Computer Case and an EPROM programmer. It looks like AVT sold the Expansion Computer Case in the Netherlands.

But the Wiki article says: "AVT was a distributor of re-branded MSX products, active on the Belgian and Dutch markets (ECC for Belgium, AVT Electronics for The Netherlands). "

I don't think that's correct. I think there's only one AVT and that's AVT Electronics bv in The Netherlands. The fact that they sold one product of ECC seems to be the only relation between AVT and ECC.

Is there any evidence or other information about this relationship that I missed?

By mars2000you

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08-03-2018, 23:22

ECC has also created special drives, "complementary" to the AVT DPF550- see MCM 4 - and ECC had 2 addresses, one in Belgium, one in the Netherlands.

In the same MCM, there's an article about the AVT-MSX1 (DPC-200) computer. It precises that ECC has provided an 'adapter' for the bus slot connector.

If you check MCM 2, the Expansion Computer Case review ends with two importers in relation with Korea : ECC for Belgium, AVT for the Netherlands.

The definitve proof that ECC was selling the AVT products (besides their own products) in Belgium is in MSX Club Magazine number 1 (advertisement on page 41 of the PDF file). All AVT and ECC products were manufactured in Korea.

So, the relations between ECC and AVT (and Korea) are more complex than you think. If you can formulate them better in the Wiki, then it should be a good move!

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