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By rderooy

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22-08-2019, 14:59

Where did the info that the Toshiba HX-10AA was meant for the Belgium and Dutch markets come from?

I'm asking as the model pictured on the wiki has a 240V internal power supply, which is rather odd for mainland Europe back then as 220V mains was the norm. 240V was used in Britain (and Ireland?).

One possible reason, assuming it was officially sold in mainland Europe, is that Toshiba had too many HX-10P models and re-branded them as HX-10AA and just ignored the 240V requirement. Not sure if that would have been legal in most European countries though. Another possibility is that it was actually meant for the British market, perhaps meant to be sold through a particular retail chain which got its own designation.

In any case, I cannot find anything in the Dutch MSX Computer Magazine that it was ever offered on the Dutch market, official or otherwise. However this does not mean that a few HX-10AA could not have been grey imported and sold through some smaller electronics shops that did not advertise in the Dutch MSX magazines.

By gdx

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22-08-2019, 16:09

240V, 50Hz, can be Australia.

By mars2000you

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22-08-2019, 16:40

gdx wrote:

240V, 50Hz, can be Australia.

Just like the Sony HB-75AS? Some discussions on the net (searching for HX-10 service manual) seem to say that both computers are 'similar' (at least if we forget the built-in Sony firmware).

By rderooy

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22-08-2019, 16:51

Australia.. Hmm good point. At least that makes more sense with the AA designation.
Also, I suspect the HX-10SF means Sweden Finland.

By rderooy

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22-08-2019, 17:39

Looking through the editing history of the HX-10AA article, it was created by mars2000you and started out saying it was an Australian model. Then at a later point mars2000you changed it to Belgium/Dutch.

By sdsnatcher73

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22-08-2019, 18:24

Well I’ve bought several HX-10’s from Marktplaats in NL. From the last 4, three are HX-10AA models and one a plain HX-10. All 4 have a 240V power indication on the label though.


By Manuel

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22-08-2019, 21:33

I read in the magazines that a lot of surplus UK MSX machines were dumped on the Dutch market.

I have this: (240V) and this (240V HX-10).

By Pentarou

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22-08-2019, 22:34

sdsnatcher73 wrote:

Well I’ve bought several HX-10’s from Marktplaats in NL. From the last 4, three are HX-10AA models and one a plain HX-10. All 4 have a 240V power indication on the label though

Did these computers have working audio from the RF output?
If they came from the UK they should have had PAL-I which is slightly incompatible with PAL-B/G.

By Manuel

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23-08-2019, 00:31

So, I wonder if there ever was even a HX-10 for the Dutch market. I bet there never was. Who has a 220V Toshiba HX-10?

By rderooy

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23-08-2019, 07:52

@Manuel which Dutch magazine(s) mentioned the dumping of the HX-10 on the Dutch market? The only mention in MCM is in the first issue, and it is just speculation if it will come to the Dutch market. I also tried to see if there was any mention of the HX-10 in ads in MCM but could not find any, which makes me think that it was not officially sold. That leaves grey imports, but also there if there was a large grey import I would have expected some mention, either in places like the news column or in ads from resellers to offload inventory.

Was this perhaps mentioned in RAM issue 54 which is not available online?

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