Introducing and question

By Roland007

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02-01-2015, 15:01

Hi,
Excuse, for the rant Smile

Having a history with MSX (Toshiba HX-10?, HB-F9P, NMS 8250) MSX has always been one of the systems that I have nice memories with. Hours of Metal Gear 1 & 2 (imported it myself from Japan) and other nice games. I keep an eye on the community of MSX and see it is still alive so I downloaded OpenMSX and tried to give it a spin. Running it on a Mac is not trivial, because the launcher Nekolauncher OpenMSX behaves strange, but if anyone is interested in the things I consider bugs please let me know.

In the OpenMSX machine definition there is boosted version of an MSX 2 and I wonder whether it is possible to even boost it further. For example: the NMS 8250 definition still runs with disk basic version 1 and the last cartridge I bought for my machine was MSX-DOS v2. For me, it would be fun to change the MSX configuration in a way that it automatically booted with disk basic 2 or higher (2.3?)

Another N00b question: I have mixed success runing uzix on OpenMSX. I only got it to boot once on OpenMSX but it got stuck after loading the kernel. Is uzix useful on MSX?

My ideal picture would be
- Having a HD image (100 MB seems enough)
- starting up in MSX-DOS 2 with c: being the HD Image
- Running games (.rom files) from the command line.

Is this possible?
Thanks for reading Smile

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By Manuel

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02-01-2015, 20:36

Thanks for the feedback and questions Smile I'll try to answer them here.

1. NekoLauncher: bugs in NekoLauncher can be submitted to the author (Jazzin/Nekocan@mac), bugs in openMSX can be submitted to us, the openMSX developers. They're most welcome!
2. Did you try the OSD menu? Using openMSX should be trivial if you know how to open the menu Smile Try Cmd-O (see http://openmsx.sourceforge.net/manual/user.html#keymapping )
3. Of course you can extend Boosted MSX2 EN to include IDE. Just take a look at the Boosted_MSX2_EN.xml and ide.xml (and perhaps also to Boosted_MSXturboR_with_IDE.xml). If you need help, let me know. I don't know how experienced you are with XML, but if you are, looking at these files should give you enough info to modify them. See also http://openmsx.sourceforge.net/manual/setup.html#hardwareedit
4. UZIX: I haven't tried it for a long time, but last time it worked fine. UZIX should work on MSX :) But it's not very useful. There's no software written for it, other than what comes with it.
5. If you use the IDE extension (or after building it into that Boosted MSX2 EN machine) you'll get automatically a 100MB harddisk image connected to it
6. On MSX, you have the limitation that it can only boot from drive A:, so the first partition of thte harddisk will always be A:. If you copy MSXDOS2.SYS and COMMAND2.COM to the first partition of your HD image (after partitioning it with IDEPAR), you will boot from it automatically
7. From which command line? MSX-DOS2? Or just in openMSX?

By Manuel

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02-01-2015, 22:46

I just tried the UZIX 0.2.1 hard disk image I have here and it boots fine Smile If you like I can share the harddisk image.

By Grauw

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03-01-2015, 18:00

Roland007: Some software doesn’t like MSX-DOS2 / Disk Basic version 2.0, so it’s better to not include it in the machine by default.

By Manuel

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03-01-2015, 18:02

That's exactly the reason why the IDE/DOS2 isn't included in Boosted MSX2 EN. It's meant to be as compatible as possible.

By Roland007

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04-01-2015, 10:02

I have seen situations where my MSX kept soft resetting itself (looping the MSX boot logo). Is there a list of extensions that is known to be incompatible?
Another question would then be: what is the best workable solution? I assume most people have a HD, what OS are they using with that. On the NMS8250, (with ASCII MSX-DOS 2.2 and IDE ) Uzix refuses to boot. Taking these cartridges out, and Uzix boots up-to-the the point where the kernel must start and than hangs.

What does the power users MSX system look like? What hardware is in, what hardware is out? Is the "ide" extension still in or is it replaced by another IDE/SCSI solution? Is MSX-Audio still relevant or is everybody using Moonsound?

Thanks and have a nice day Smile

By Grauw

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04-01-2015, 19:55

I haven’t used a HD in a long time. All flash storage nowadays, MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD and the OCM’s MegaSD, Sunrise CF-IDE before that. Run ASCII-DOS2 or Nextor-DOS2. What sound chip I use depends on the application/game.

By Manuel

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04-01-2015, 21:53

- a list of extensions known to be incompatible with what?
- I ran UZIX with Boosted MSX2 EN and the IDE extension (which includes MSX-DOS2). Try to add more RAM to your 8250: add a 512kB memory mapper cartridge for instance.
- regarding compatibility: if you were talking about MSX-DOS2 as I wrote about in my last post: it's about software compatibility. Most MSX software was written to run from ROM or from floppy drive and they all assume no DOS2.