Bazix frustrating certain emulation projects

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By J-War

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04-02-2005, 05:35

So finaly we're ready to RNFF ! Smile
That's neat Tongue

By [D-Tail]

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04-02-2005, 08:25

Lemme be the first one:

/me RNFF! Big smile

By mth

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04-02-2005, 09:19

But I agree the latest action is probably not seen as very positive, then again, most people that freak out now have a "Corporate == Evil" stamp on their forehead and honestly feel everything should be free, without any rights reserved and open-source. At least that is the impression I sometimes get, some might call that noble, I call it naive and ignorant, the world doesn't work that way, and it would be disastrous if it would.

Open source is built on copyright, just like proprietary software is. The difference is that with open source, the authors grant many more rights to the users than with proprietary software.

I agree that copyrights are a good thing (although a 20 year term would be enough, in my opinion). But I think that if copyright owners give their users some more rights than seems to be the norm nowadays, it will be better for both the copyright owners and the users.

The music industry tried to shove their vision of the music market down the throat of its customers. It didn't work. Then Apple came and offered cheap and easy downloads of music and sold millions of songs. For me, iTunes is still too restrictive, but for many people the restrictions are acceptable.

About calling it noble: if you spend your own time writing software and allow the world to share it, that is noble in my opinion. If you just take something that someone else made and proclaim it should be free, there is nothing noble about it.

I'm participating in projects like openMSX and C-BIOS to create a free MSX ecosystem. Free in the sense of freedom: not paying to download it is only a small part of it. I think it would be a shame if the commercial MSX ecosystem that Bazix is trying to create would be completely separate from the free MSX ecosystem. However, if they insist on restricting their software to MSXPLAYer instead of choosing widely accepted standards such as ROM and DSK images, they are creating an artificial boundary between the two ecosystems.

By AuroraMSX

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04-02-2005, 09:42

I think we should introduce a new internet abbreviation: RNFF.

After LOL, ROFL, ROFLMAO etc. etc. etc. we now have RNFF: Running Naked in Fields of Flowers. Supposedly, members of the MSX community do so to celebrate the fact that they can live in peace ^_^.

The winter edition being RNFFFMAO Wink
[edit] Actually, there are no F's in the winter. Make that RNFSFMAO [/edit]

By Edwin

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04-02-2005, 12:44

manager: "my wife would kill me if I did that"
former employee "- I didn't know you had a wife! "
manager: "and my wife doesn't know I have a job, I keep my business and personal life strictly seperate"


Nice in theory, but in this case there would have been a reply:

former employee "How can you? Your business is your wife!"

In real life keeping this separate things are not so simple. We are all just one person with one mind. When one roles we perform have no relation to each other, then it's reasonable to believe that the two don't have too much influence over each other. But when they are closely related, it's a whole different ballgame.

The whole idea of speaking shared MRC/Bazix people seems to me like a cover up of the truth. They may be able to keep their official announcements separate, but they are still affected by both roles in everything they say and do. And in that respect I would never see people as a combination of everything they are.

As long as the roles as MRC and Bazix don't bite, it doesn't necessarily have to be a problem. But I think this thread shows the first signs of conflicting interests. The Aleste translation patch for instance, where community and Bazix interests are basically opposite. I'm not exactly in on the details, but I expect that Rikusu released it before Bazix existed and attempted to retract it after a commercial interest for Bazix. If this is indeed the case, then it shows how views can change.

Currently my view on things is that a part of MRC is a part if Bazix. And the near future will tell how decisions of one will rub off on the other through this shared part. I expect that the conflicts will get worse. Time will tell.

By HansO

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04-02-2005, 14:46

Rikusu wrote:

.... I do wish to make one thing clear: nobody ever talked about suing anyone. Please stop confusing ‘having distribution and/or trademarks rights for something and therefore placing a request for removal if someone distributes something that can really damage your cause’ with ‘suing that person’. The fact that we don’t speak of suing, has nothing to do with us having money or not, it’s simply not the way in which we work.

Thats too easy! Nice reassuring words but I feel a cover up here.
'Nobody ever talked about ..'?
The sender of the letter, Bazix does threat with legal measures! From the letter:

Wij willen u erop wijzen dat deze overtredingen wettelijk strafbaar zijn en
verzoeken u dan ook ...

Which might be translated as:

We want to inform you that these thresspassings are punishable by law and therefore request you ...

If lawyers say that in this way it is a serious threat that action will follow! The resulting action is not a lawsuit but report of the thresspassings to the police asking for action by the authorities. A lawsuit started by Bazix could follow to get the damage repaid. If I understand you that lawsuit will not happen? But dont play innocent by saying 'Nobody ever talked'.

Btw, was this post by the person Rikusu, Bazix or the MRC Webmaster? Please help us to understand the complex ways of communication between Bazix, you as a person, the MRC and us. By using in one message both 'I' and 'we', it becomes very confusing. A simple: This is a Bazix message might help.

By Manuel

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04-02-2005, 14:47

I really appreciate Rieks's extensive reply, but I completely agree with Grauw here: it's all great, but if Bazix can't make it happen that the games will be playable on a real MSX, we have only lost: no new translations anymore for the real MSX users... That would be a big shame, if you ask me.

I really understand that you have to start somewhere, but it is so uncertain that it can be made a reality to get new games or new translations for real MSX machines....

By turbor

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04-02-2005, 14:56

to get new games or new translations for real MSX machines....

Or to broaden this... for any non win32 user.

By mars2000you

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04-02-2005, 16:12

to get new games or new translations for real MSX machines....

Or to broaden this... for any non win32 user.

And to broaden this even more ... also for every win 32 user that prefers one of the 3 best emulators for PC/Windows than a limited emulator without features like screenshots, save states, saving of the music and many other interesting features

Btw, when will come NLMSX 0.49 ? Tongue

By HansO

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04-02-2005, 16:27

Btw, when will come NLMSX 0.49 ? Tongue

Who do you ask? And why here?

Frits is very unlikely reading our boring discussion here Smile If I know him a little he is very busy with a very interesting project which gives him lots of fun doing and will surprise us undoubtly. With other words: I do not know what and when and who and why and where Smile

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