Bazix frustrating certain emulation projects

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By DarQ

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01-02-2005, 18:12

yeah, bazix will really stop msx.org Tongue

Yeah someone who shall remain unknown just told me who was behind it.

??? i don't get it...

By Arjan

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01-02-2005, 18:14

it's either sarcasm, a bad joke or a remark made by an uninformed person...

By tfh

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01-02-2005, 18:14

So the worst thing that can happen to other emulators is that they can't distribute roms and maybe that they can't use the MSX logo. That does not seem like a big deal to me.

Ehm.. think again...
As long is there is no way to legally buy these roms somewhere, it's like:

We will let you buy the care, but.. we have taken the enigine out. We will not tell you where you can buy the engine: Even worse... We have made it illegal for you to buy an engine.
You can only take the engine from your old car, in built it inside your new one.

And as for fuel (games), well... go figure...

That is why I say:
First make an alternative available. Then you can start going after person/companies violating the rules...

By mars2000you

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01-02-2005, 18:20

And a real alternative .... not only versions of MSX games for PC to run on an uncomplete emulator, but also real MSX disks/cartridges and disk/rom images.

Copy protections can indeed also be applied to MSX products and to disk/rom images.

But where's the good will ?

By [D-Tail]

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01-02-2005, 18:29

Ehm.. think again...
As long is there is no way to legally buy these roms somewhere
Come on now, anyone can legally buy a second hand MSX on eBay, for instance...

By Sama

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01-02-2005, 18:32

Getting new users to the MSX world on a global, well-organized and legal basis is one of the main WOOMB objectives. The project mentioned here, is obstructing such an objective. Admittedly, we might have been somewhat early in intervening, but on the other hand, eventually the result would have been the same. Now the developer knows in an early stage about how the product is perceived. We did, however, encourage its developer to go on with his project on a legal basis. The fact that he decided to drop the project, has been his own decision.

I might add that Bazix is certainly not prohibiting or even discouraging emulator development and distribution. If you take a look at the history of MSXPLAYer, you'd know it originated from fMSX and has been improved with the combined efforts of several emulator emulator developers.

As for the MSX logos, usually there will be very little to worry about when it comes to community productions. We will soon publish some clearer guidelines about the use of the MSX logo in community productions on our website. In the mean time, basically all you have to do is ask if you are still unsure after having read the logo policies that already are on the Bazix site.

I think the rest of it already has been said by Fondacio and Thom Wink

By tfh

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01-02-2005, 18:38

Ehm.. think again...
As long is there is no way to legally buy these roms somewhere
Come on now, anyone can legally buy a second hand MSX on eBay, for instance...

MSX1 and MSX2, yes... MSX2+? Harder... Turbo-R? Even worse. And a lot of people are not very comfertable with buying online/through eBay anyway. And it's still making it quite hard. And finding the desired software tiltle can also be a pain in the *ss. Sure.. The standard Konami's are available, but the rest?

No... Just take a look at the Amiga Comunity. You buy A CD from Cloanto with all the stuff on it,so you can run you emulator in almost any configuration possible.
Right now, it's still to hard...
And even worse, for MSX I don't see this situation solved that easily.
The MSX-Roms are (as far as I know) still not owned by the MSX Association, at least not world-wide (only for Japan?), so.. how is this gonna be solved?
Unless C-Bios gets mature....

By tfh

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01-02-2005, 18:40

We did, however, encourage its developer to go on with his project on a legal basis. The fact that he decided to drop the project, has been his own decision.Well, the e-mail above gives a "somewhat" other idea...

By Vampier

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01-02-2005, 18:55

tfh that's an understatement.

Since I am located in the US I do not really care about copyright issues of bazix or the MSX aso's.

By Meits

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01-02-2005, 18:57

We did, however, encourage its developer to go on with his project on a legal basis. The fact that he decided to drop the project, has been his own decision.Well, the e-mail above gives a "somewhat" other idea...
I want to add to this that the MSX scene exists of hobbyists. The active people want more people to join in. If rules show up which no one ever cared for, what's the fun of it then?

I'd quit producing stuff if someone told me I was doing something which is illegal. Cuz dudes, we're not 1986 anymore, you know.
If I want an MSX logo on any product I'd be part of without the legal notice pointing at the association, I'd do so. If that's not the way it goes, the association will have to do without me then, cuz I got better things to do.

So please, people from bazix, don't misuse your 'authority'. Stay like you guys were before you got into this bazix thing. I am quite certain that not all of the developers will be discouraged by those actions, but some will. And is playing policeofficer worth it to see them go?

Remember that all the hobbyists do now is to contribute to the scene. It's not the profit.

(I didn't even wanna react to this, but well, you see what happened)

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