A dream or a hype ?

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By Samor

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16-06-2005, 17:21

I think the word "revival" is so exaggerated...
not that a 1chipmsx wouldn't be nice, but the more uh..likely things are MSX living on in the form of emulation (on either pc or other devices), or the games being rereleased for phones or as parts of collector packs or extra's in new games. And that's already happening too, which is cool.
And even today, fans are still making software for it; or remakes for pc, which is just great Smile (also, many MSX games have seen sequels on new systems, for me that counts as a continuation as well).
But of course; a device like the 1chip would be very cool; one could say an emulator is able of doing the same (if not better), and you have to be fair - the 1chip is a lot like an emulator, but it still has the advantage of being a separate, msx-dedicated device. That's very cool, allthough, with the "commercial" backing the MSX has, very hard to achieve. Still, kudos to ASCII for trying it at all. I hope it will work out, but fear it won't make it.
But ultimately it's the MSX "living on" , it's not really a revival.
A "true" revival would be getting it back on a scale as it was in the 80's. Aside from being virtually impossible, that would be pointless.
I see the 1chip as a device for MSX fans, not as a revival. It's such bad wording...just like "scene" , by the way. Gotta hate that. Wink

By [D-Tail]

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16-06-2005, 19:05

I quite like the 'Revival'-term, I'm used to using it Wink... But indeed, the term is in itself too exaggerated Smile

By Manuel

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16-06-2005, 20:12

One big point is indeed that ASCII/MSXA says that it can later be upgraded to MSX2 (and that it's easily programmable), but this will be quite expensive, because you need to buy that special cable to program the FPGA and IIRC this cable is about 7000 Yen, which is about one third of the OCM selling price.

But, let's see what happens. There's not much we can do for now, I guess. Just wait and see! And keep MSXing.

By [D-Tail]

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16-06-2005, 21:46

One big point is indeed that ASCII/MSXA says that it can later be upgraded to MSX2 (and that it's easily programmable), but this will be quite expensive, because you need to buy that special cable to program the FPGA and IIRC this cable is about 7000 Yen, which is about one third of the OCM selling price.I think we can manage that. Have someone buying such a cable, bring it to a fair and let everybody upgrade his 1CM for 2 euros orso... Be creative Wink

By snout

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16-06-2005, 21:50

Indeed. Besides, that cable can be used for more purposes than upgrading to MSX2, you can start tweaking your One Chip MSX FPGA yourself with it as well. Or install the VHDL code of other developers.

By Sonic_aka_T

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17-06-2005, 00:03

You mean snoutMSX 0.317b? Tongue

By snout

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17-06-2005, 00:35

I wouldn't recommend anyone to install that version, it contains some serious bugs ^_^

(Mod mode: back to topic guyz!)

By SLotman

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17-06-2005, 15:08

Wait! What's this about having to BUY a cable to program the FPGA?
Doesnt the OCM come with the necessary cables to change the vhdl code?

If not, than it's even worse! How could ASCII sell it as a "kit to learn FPGA" (an not just an MSX1), if you dont have all the tools to program it?

Another doubt I have, is that PC partition isnt compatible with DOS2 partitions, so even if someone has an SD card attached to a PC, simple "data transfer" wont work... so how someone would be able to copy data to be used in the OCM?

By BiFi

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17-06-2005, 16:20

GuyveR800 posted a reply to something that was written in this thread. I think it's appropriate to point you to this link.

By Tanni

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17-06-2005, 16:29

Wait! What's this about having to BUY a cable to program the FPGA?
Doesnt the OCM come with the necessary cables to change the vhdl code?

If not, than it's even worse! How could ASCII sell it as a "kit to learn FPGA" (an not just an MSX1), if you dont have all the tools to program it?

You don't need a cable to change the VHDL code. You have VHDL sourcecode, you can
change and compile it and after that, you invoke a synthesis tool which is available from ALTERA. This tool generates a bitstream file to be loaded on the FPGA via the cable.

So, you need a download cable to load the bitstream derived from the VHDL sourcecode
by the synthesis to the device. I don't know about the cable used in the OCM, but its possible that this cable is very simple, e.g. just a centronics cable or a serial cable. It depends on the interfaces available on the OCM board.

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