With the One Chip MSX1 announced and Bazix taking the MSX Revival worldwide, the MSX Revival will...

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By SLotman

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10-11-2004, 08:02

I don't think that this will be any sort of problem.
You'll will have a "base" code released by MSX Association for the FPGA.
Then you can have all sorts of things, even new codes that can be created
specifically to a single software.

Imagine this: you need a 3D game, so you implement a kick ass math co-processor, and a very fast VDP. Now you want to surf the web, make a new program to implement tcp-ip.

Then you can flash it again to the "base" system, and play Antartic Adventure all you want =)

Creativity come from open minds, not limitations. Limitations are one factor that promotes new solutions, but creativity is a complete different ground Smile

The only problem I can see for now is the cost... FPGAs are expensive, shipping things from Japan are also expensive (at least here to South America) , here in Brazil with have huge taxes when importing (60% to 70% of the total price (including shipping!)), plus brazilian Real is not the most valueable currency in the world...

... I'm just afraid that all those factors will end up meaning no "msx on a chip" for Brazil Sad

By xonox

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13-11-2004, 19:54

as a total newbie to the msx scene ( don't even have an msx ) i can tell you this machine might bring new people to the msx scene. I am saving up money to buy one when it comes out, hoping it won't be too expensive... So far it looks like a great machine with just the right connectivity. I'd kind of wish the msx association maintains an official core so that the user base won't be split amonst 12 different innofficial msx cores. While i agree that people will be able to do all sorts of things with the hardware, i'd like that the msx association keeps an official core. This doesn't mean they have to refuse any kind of mod, but i'd wish they'd act as moderators to what goes in the core and what doesn't.

Anyways, i don't know a lot about msx... yet.

By snout

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13-11-2004, 19:57

Welcome to the forums, Xonox! It looks like you already did quite some investigations on the One Chip MSX. Letting MSX Association maintain the MSX standard by deciding to implement (or not to implement) user-made extensions doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. Of course it should also be possible to bundle your software with VHDL code, e.g. like Konami built their games with SCC...

(P.S. I'm quite curious on how you found out about MSX/one chip MSX ^_^)

By xonox

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13-11-2004, 21:07

I found out about the one chip MSX thru the C-One mailing list, someone posted about it, then i did some link clikcing and came across msx.org (which i already knew about 'cause i like 8 bit computers and msx.org is a cool site Big smile)

The whole point to my previous post was that i wouldn't want of a computer i need to reflash the core every day or so. I want a stable base to code on, cause if i get one, it won't stay in the closet.

And thanks to this site, i was able to read more one-chip-msx stuff. Man it looked nice with that saturn usb pad and mac keyboard in a pic i saw...

I hope you can still connect it to both a tv and a vga screen. I got both and since it looks like one small unit, i'd play on tv and code with the monitor...

To end up this post about my little story, i was interested in the Commodore One project but i think the new msx will suit me better.

Welcome to the forums, Xonox! It looks like you already did quite some investigations on the One Chip MSX. Letting MSX Association maintain the MSX standard by deciding to implement (or not to implement) user-made extensions doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. Of course it should also be possible to bundle your software with VHDL code, e.g. like Konami built their games with SCC...

(P.S. I'm quite curious on how you found out about MSX/one chip MSX ^_^)

By Latok

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13-11-2004, 23:22

Indeed welcome Smile.......And I share your concern. I want a standard and being able to flash the core doesn't really help, I think......But snout thinks otherwise, for example. And many with him Smile Fortunately!

By snout

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15-11-2004, 00:01

AFAIK it's possible to connect both a TV and a VGA screen, as the prototype has separate SVHS/VGA connectors. Thanks for the compliments about msx.org btw ^_^

By IC

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15-11-2004, 01:36

ok.. here's my thought..

- What makes you think the MSX Revival will become a (huge) success?

Depends on what goal lies a ahead.. Bringing it to the big public.. I don't think so (think apple).. But bringing a big stream trough the MSX community.. think it's quite successfull cauz everyone in the MSX community is talking about it...


- What makes you think "this is it", when it comes to the MSX Revival?

I think there's more on the horizon... MSX is a simple standard and can go ahead with todays technoligy.. so to say 'this is it'.. Yah.. for the moment.. But more is possible.


- What makes you think the MSX Community will suffer from the MSX revival?

I don't think the MSX community will suffer from the MSX revival.. In stead, I think the opposite will happen

Bring it on! Smile

There you go Tongue

By Algorythms

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15-11-2004, 15:07

I don`t think it will be successful if it`s only presented ONLY as a computer. I think it would be smart to integrate it in DVD-players, Satelite decoders, PDA`s, Internet boxes and even TV`s... Wouldn`t it be cool to pack a DVD with MSX games and play on your DVD player? A lot of these devices has games and programs integrated, but to have a standard for this (namely the MSX "multimedia" standard) would be a nice trick to get MSX back.

By wolf_

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15-11-2004, 15:36

Well, that's a point yeah .. however, don't you think the major domestic electronica manufacturors would rather licence something like a PS2 or xbox orso? Or if it must be something retro, than a system that survived a little longer than the msx?

However, MSX in domestic stuff is cool ofcourse Smile I just try to look through the eyes of the Philipses, Sonys, JVCs, Panasonics of this world ... (and yes, all made MSX'es once Smile )

By Algorythms

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15-11-2004, 21:34

I agree ofcourse, but I still think it`s doable. If you look at the games already in such devices, they are almost always old games remade, and in resolutions and specs that the MSX 2 would cope with. And if they were to implement a gfx9000 orso it could cope with even better stuff Smile And there IS a satelite decoder with an MSX emulator built in already! And I bet ASCII still has allot of connections with the old MSX firms, and maybe there`s even a couple of MSX enthusiasts left in some of them. Even text-tv could use a new interface which the MSX could cope with. Well, I`m rambling...

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