What should the one chip MSX look like?

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By DarQ

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10-02-2003, 18:07

and what about input interface?I dont feel like messing around with a PDA stick (or whatever its called). how about a transmitter that projects the keyboard on a solid flat surface and some detector that detects our 'key presses' ? Ofcourse such a device can be used as mouse as well since it can also detect movement.

By pitpan

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10-02-2003, 19:36

Not at all, the MSX's current resolutions use either a width of 512 or 256 pixels. Just double every pixel in a 256-width-mode. Frequencies are no obstacle for LCD screens (they don't use frequencies, it's a stable image). Height can be 192 pixels minimum, and 424 pixels maximum (interlaced). So I'd say make it 424 pixels high, use double for a height of 212 pixels and when using 192 pixels, add proper borders on the top and the bottom (as happens on a current MSX computers aswell!).

Aaaaaargh! Then I won't be able to play MATRA games with overscan mode!!!!!!! (256x224 pixels). Anyway, producing a non-standard definition LCD screen could be REALLY expensive. I think that right now 160x160 (Palm) and 320x240 (PocketPC) are the common resolutions. Producing a new component is expensive. Should not it be better to fit to the technology that we have? Nothing better that a old'n'good analogic display: CRT forever!!!!! Raster rulez the world! Wink

By Grauw

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10-02-2003, 21:07

Aaaaaargh! Then I won't be able to play MATRA games with overscan mode!!!!!!! (256x224 pixels). Anyway, producing a non-standard definition LCD screen could be REALLY expensive. I think that right now 160x160 (Palm) and 320x240 (PocketPC) are the common resolutions. Producing a new component is expensive. Should not it be better to fit to the technology that we have? Nothing better that a old'n'good analogic display: CRT forever!!!!! Raster rulez the world! Wink

Hehehe... Well you can play your Matra games... just not on your LCD, connect it to a TV or something. ^_^

Anyways no, I don't think a custom-sized LCD would be that expensive, as long as you mass-produce them. They are simply produced in large panels, and you need to cut those panels into certain measures to produce a number of screens. At what places you cut them exactly doesn't really matter afaik, also take a look at the GBA screen's size, it's not standard either and yet they managed to keep the GBA's price level very low. Personally I hate the resolutions you mentioned and would much rather see more 'MSX-like' resolutions on the new MSX, that is widths of 256, 512, 768, 1024 pixels e.d.. Not those weird pc-like resolutions like 640 (512+128??) x 480 (uhh 256+224? why, why???) etc.

And er, I like LCD's much better than CRT's ^_^. I have a flatpanel on my desktop and well, the image is just very er, calm since LCD's don't have a refresh rate, it's like the difference between 50Hz and 60Hz on MSX. And most of all I like the flatness, it doesn't take up much space on my desk. And uh, I personally wouldn't care much for a portable computer with a CRT screen hehe ;p.

~Grauw

By Asshen

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10-02-2003, 22:06

It should have a cartridge slot for playing my originals Smile

Kris.

By snout

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10-02-2003, 22:19

It's already become quite clear that cartridges will be connected using an external module that is connected on an USB port. That module will also work with MSXPLAYer on various platforms.

By anonymous

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11-02-2003, 15:21

It should come with a small keyboard with all the MSX keys on it. It doesn't have to be notebook quality, I would be happy with a cheap keyboard like some GSM phone accessory keyboards. Ofcourse it MUST have the possibility to connect a fullsized highquality keyboard for using it at home.

Oh, it should have decent cursors (pad?) and buttons (mappable to keyboard keys or joystick buttons) for playing games on the road. This thing should make me forget my GameBoy Advance! Smile

And about LCDs, there are lots of LCD sizes being produced. As a testament to this, IIRC Nintendo uses Sharp (now Matsushita) LCDs of size 256x160.

By DarQ

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11-02-2003, 16:28

no keyboard, keyboard projection and touch detection! That's the keyboard of the future! need it for my msx

By anonymous

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11-02-2003, 17:21

Get real

By Leo

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11-02-2003, 20:28

I see the MSX revival , in two different ways , one is a small module/subsystem completly new that will bring interest of business companies again to this standard and at the same time a "normal" evolution an MSX that fits into a PC case with high speed Z80 CPU / V9990 or compatible with HD/FD interface and megs of rams , just an MSX as we already know it but bigger.

A plus, should be a real MSX computer with its own style of case , because in Pc case it kills lot of the msx spirit ...

But a chip that is an ARM + periphs that emulates the msx I would not call this a new MSX.
Because in that case, We can wait 2-3 years that cell phones are enough powerfull to run fMSX, or just make a Pc run automatically on an msx emulator after boot and call this an msx ...

By anonymous

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11-02-2003, 20:49


But a chip that is an ARM + periphs that emulates the msx I would not call this a new MSX.
Because in that case, We can wait 2-3 years that cell phones are enough powerfull to run fMSX, or just make a Pc run automatically on an msx emulator after boot and call this an msx ...

I disagree. Cell phones will already soon be powerful enough to run MSX PLAYer.
The new MSX will not be just a ARM + pheripherals or whatever. Read some more into the plans, you will see it really is quite a revolutionary device and not comparable to current cell phones or Personal Digital Assistants.

Besides, a new MSX brings new hardware, running fMSX or MSX PLAYer only runs old 'hardware'.

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