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By ManOfTheVara

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19-10-2011, 14:07

To be honest, I also don't remember whether the tools/procedures were actually made publicly available or not. But they were announced (at least Seleniak's) in such a way that caused confusion and quite negative e-mail reactions from many users, making them think that was an easy, senseless, useless, gratuituous protection just to prevent execution from an emulator, when it was a legitimate check to prevent bad audio only on lo-fi emulators (mostly fMSX-based at that time.)

Anyway, what I mean is that some attitudes or actions we make can harm the developer/community even if they are actually "not-illegal", "not-unethic". I think that we should neither strive to attack the other nor to convolutedly justify our actions, but to positively contribute to the community.

By Sander

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19-10-2011, 14:21

I also don't think that the availability of a hacked rom would keep people from buying the actual product. The people that are buying stuff nowadays really don't care if the software can be obtained digitally. Besides, the emulator only users with no intend of spending money is not the target audience of making new cartridges IMHO.

I would sadly regret if the point of view of one single individual would cause people to stop selling new hardware and software.

And to Mars, let's say you're right legally, what is the point of pursuing that if everybody quits making the stuff you want to play in the process?

I really don't understand how your minds works, but sometimes you have to parlee to function in a community, even if you think your right. That's how societies work. This site is maintained and the new site is build with the help of 25 people. If I and everybody else would stick to their arguments, well I would probably doing a one man show too.

By ManOfTheVara

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19-10-2011, 14:51

Come on, people, this is not a matter of legal issues, warez or piracy. It's about something much bigger than that. It's about how our actions, as a small community, can either boost or drain activity and motivation.

Absolutely agree. An action can be 100% legal (such as sharing a cheat to be able to run a protected game) but its consequences can be disastrous for the author/community.

It's like "the ends justify the means", but upside-down! Historically, a machiavellian person may use harmful/barely legal means to reach a good end, which at least has a sense (in a twisted way, that is), but to use those benign/legal means to reach a bad end (like developers sick of it and quitting) is pretty nonsensical (if the person actually does not want to deliberately harm the developer/community, of course.)

By ManOfTheVara

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19-10-2011, 14:59

Kralizec - Please don't let the actions of a single member of the MSX community push you to drastic decisions. I hope you can see that most members of the MSX community really appreciate your work - and quite a few of them have bought your games.

In this case I must disagree. I believe that the word "most" should be "many" at most. I doubt very much that if enough members of the community showed support and appreciation (both at the social -forums, blogs, Facebook, etc.- and sales levels) for their work they would be quitting.

By verythrax

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19-10-2011, 15:21

I really hope Kralizec change his mind. I was planning to buy some games at the MCS until the end of the year, including a couple of Kalizec games. I could play on an emulator, but doesn't bother me at all that the game is cart-only - I'm buying MSX hardware when maybe I could be satisfied with the emulator, anyway. So spending on a cart (that cheap, anyway) wouldn't be an issue.

By Vampier

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19-10-2011, 15:46

I would have bought the cart if I would have had a real MSX & I would have paid for a download since I really liked the youtube movie I saw.

And about blueMSX not optaining information on the carts; the openMSX and blueMSX team work closely together.

Might I say this: http://romdb.vampier.net/showhashes.php?gameid=598 Dvik's game was build on the manbow2 mapper and I know Dvik respects the community. (note: Dvik is the main programmer/founder of blueMSX)

By Huey

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19-10-2011, 15:57


In this case I must disagree. I believe that the word "most" should be "many" at most. I doubt very much that if enough members of the community showed support and appreciation (both at the social -forums, blogs, Facebook, etc.- and sales levels) for their work they would be quitting.

@ManOfTheVara: Just a question as you are popping up on this forum; You are related to Kralizec?

@Ramones: Is only this individual case that makes you decide to stop? It seems a bit impulsive to stop only over this occasion.

By ManOfTheVara

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19-10-2011, 16:09

@ManOfTheVara: Just a question as you are popping up on this forum; You are related to Kralizec?

Kralizec are friends of mine, just like a few other developers.

Problem? BA-team

By Guillian

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19-10-2011, 16:15

And about blueMSX not optaining information on the carts; the openMSX and blueMSX team work closely together.
I have not said the opposite. I just pointed that OpenMSX team asked for information in order to support a product/cartridge.
And in this case, no information was requested. Instead of improving the emulator, Mars put the effor in hacking the ROM in order to avoid the copy protection. That's all.

By Huey

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19-10-2011, 16:26


Kralizec are friends of mine, just like a few other developers.

Problem? BA-team

Nope. Big smile
I was just wondering as you were talking about the motivation of Ramones/Kralizec as you were involved with Kralizec.

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