Rune Worth -- out-of-reach treasure chests?

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By wyrdwad

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30-01-2017, 09:12

I've amassed a pretty good collection of disk-based JRPGs for the MSX2 at this point, and decided to finally start playing one of them -- so I popped in what appeared to be the most accessible among them: Rune Worth, which looked to be an Ys-style game.

What I found when I started playing it was a game that's 90% towns and story, 10% dungeons and combat, which really threw me at first... but I do speak Japanese, so I continued playing, and have really gotten into the game. I can't imagine playing it without being able to read the dialogue, but if you CAN read it, it's got a pretty engaging story with a world that feels very much alive, and I would highly recommend it to anyone who thinks the idea of a semi-open world Ys game with a heavy emphasis on lore and world-building sounds cool.

That having been said... there is one thing that's been bugging me about the game so far. One of the spells you learn early on, "Sepethmyda" (my own interpretation on how to spell it, since it's only ever written in katakana), gives you details about your current environment when cast, including how many treasure chests there are, and how many of those treasure chests have items in them. So naturally, I've been using this spell as a guide to ensure I don't miss anything during my adventure -- which is rather crucial in this game, since there's no experience, with leveling occurring through items found along the way.

And in all but one of the dungeons I've explored, there seem to be treasure chests I haven't been able to find:

- I'm showing 1 treasure chest with an item in it located in the first dungeon (the one under the church), despite there being literally nowhere left to go -- I've explored that church basement completely.

- I'm showing 2 treasure chests with items in them located in the fairy city beneath the southeast lake -- and I can just barely make out an area on the top-left of the map with spike traps, but absolutely can't get there, as it's behind a solid wall with no obvious means of getting through.

- I'm showing 1 treasure chest with an item in it located in the northeast temple ruins, despite having thoroughly explored this dungeon -- though there is the sea god (?) in the back room who keeps telling me not to disturb his slumber, so it's possible I have to come back later as part of the story, and he'll let me through to a treasure room then... maybe?

It's the fairy city that has me most confused, because I really can't figure out how I could possibly get to that area behind the wall. Though the church basement is also a bit puzzling, since it's such a small dungeon with such a simple layout -- I don't see how I could possibly have missed anything in there.

If anyone here has played Rune Worth and knows whether or not there's some trick to getting these treasures, I'd love to know it -- though if the answer is simply, "Just keep playing; you'll learn an ability eventually that lets you find the missing treasures," then I'd ask that you please not go into too much detail, since I definitely plan to play this one through to the end.

Thanks!

-Tom

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By wyrdwad

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03-02-2017, 09:50

I actually found my answer through some YouTube videos of a person who played through the game (there's a spell you learn that allows you to teleport short distances), so there's no need to respond to this anymore -- but I wanted to come back into this topic again to say that THIS GAME RULES.

It would be immensely difficult to play without knowing Japanese, and also immensely difficult to play without having access to the book that came with it (which, fortunately, I do have, since I was able to score a copy of Rune Worth complete-in-box) thanks to some points in the story where you're asked questions that you can only answer by referring to that book... but man, if you're able to play it, it's really good stuff!

If anyone here is interested in playing Rune Worth, I can help you -- I mostly remember the order in which things need to be done to advance the plot, so I can even write up a crude walkthrough if need be (I haven't beaten the game yet, but I think I'm getting pretty close) -- I just don't know how much interest there would be in that, as even with a walkthrough and basic plot summary, you'd be missing out on a lot of good story if you can't actually read the text.

Still... if anyone's interested, let me know! I can start with the basics, then add to it as the spirit moves me. Wink

-Tom

By Guillian

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03-02-2017, 11:14

Rune Worth is indeed a nice game! I played it a lot (20?) years ago, but I reached a point where I was unable to advance (I don't understand Japanese ^^!)

It has nice graphcis, musics and some funny details (like getting drunk)

A walkthrough (or a translation) would be apreciated (^_^)

By rderooy

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03-02-2017, 11:32

Any chance you could scan the manual?

By rderooy

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03-02-2017, 11:35

Guillian wrote:

Rune Worth is indeed a nice game! I played it a lot (20?) years ago, but I reached a point where I was unable to advance (I don't understand Japanese ^^!)

It has nice graphcis, musics and some funny details (like getting drunk)

A walkthrough (or a translation) would be apreciated (^_^)

There are apparently two different English translations. One by Django and one by Rieks W Torringa.

By Colemu

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03-02-2017, 14:28

Looks like there were at least 3; see http://retroinvaders.com/es/11295/rune-worth-english

No link to download though :(

By wyrdwad

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03-02-2017, 20:50

Interesting. This is a very text-heavy game, and the text is very prosaic and flowery, so fan-translating it is no easy task -- I'd be very curious to see how that turned out. I somehow never came across that when searching for info on the game online (though I did find evidence of a Spanish fan-translation, albeit a quick-and-dirty one from the looks of it).

Regarding the manual, the game actually comes with two books and a map, and the one that's most important of those is the fuzzy velvet-bound lore book, which is the one you absolutely need to reference in order to progress through the game. Scanning it, however, would be virtually impossible without damaging or destroying it, since the velvet cover is kind of malleable and the binding is pretty tight -- so I'm sorry, but I'm not really willing to scan it.

What I can do, though, is give you guys the answers to the questions asked by the dragon and Will Poe, so that if you're playing and get to those points, you'll be able to continue playing (since you're absolutely required to answer the dragon's 3 questions and Will Poe's 5 questions correctly in order to progress). I'm guessing one of those two points is where you got stuck, Guillian -- though the progression flags are kind of vague at a few other points as well, so you may have gotten stuck before that, too.

I'm not able to reference all the necessary info right now (I'm on break at work), but tonight or sometime this weekend, I'll post some more info here so anyone who wants to play through this game can do so (even in Japanese).

-Tom

By sd_snatcher

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03-02-2017, 21:15

Maybe not a traditional scan, but instead take high-res pictures of the pages without forcing the book? Then it's somewhat easy these days to correct the perspective in post processing.

By wyrdwad

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03-02-2017, 23:11

sd_snatcher wrote:

Maybe not a traditional scan, but instead take high-res pictures of the pages without forcing the book? Then it's somewhat easy these days to correct the perspective in post processing.

I'd need something that can take hi-res photos for that, since I don't even own a smartphone -- I hate smartphones, so I'm one of the last hangers-on to still be using a flip-phone.

I may be borrowing a friend's camera in the near future, though, and if I do, I can try to take some nice hi-res photos of the pages at that point. I also may consider translating some of the lore at some point, since it is rather interesting (they wrote a rather thorough and intricately detailed theology for this game, and cut absolutely no corners in doing so) -- though given that I translate Japanese for a living, translating Japanese in my free time is something I try to do sparingly, so no promises on if or when I'll actually follow through with this idea. Wink

-Tom

By rderooy

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03-02-2017, 23:31

have a look for the game at msxgamesworld, towards the bottom of the page there are links for 2 different translations.
The description is written in Spanish, but it indicates an English (inglés) translation.

By mfeingol

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04-02-2017, 02:31

I really tried to like this game in the early nineties. Loved the graphics and the interesting gameplay, but couldn't help feeling left out due to not speaking Japanese.

So this is one of those MSX games where I've been waiting for someone to come along and translate it, at which point I'll probably replay the entire game. Assuming it ever happens... I'm in the same boat with Daiva Story V, which apparently did get a full English translation, but the internet has lost it.

I checked the Rune Worth translations on http://msxgamesworld.com/gamecard.php?id=219, but neither appears to even attempt to translate any run-of-the-mill text in the conversations. Alas.

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