Santa Paravia and Fiumaccio - MSX Version

By hbarcellos

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11-04-2014, 23:07

Ok, insisting on an old topic...
This is one of my favorite games of all times. Really, still play it with old friends from time to time.

About it:
The original here:

Anyway, here in Brazil we had a version called Bologna & Milano that no one knows where came from.
Every different group from a different city had it's own version. As it was a Basic game, people we're changing formulas, strings and etc...

Anyway, as we're a multinational forum, anyone have (and can share) some versions of Santa Paravia for MSX?

Here's a screenshot of the C64 version:

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By giuseve

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12-04-2014, 13:42

I discovered an an-line version at
not so good really...

I don't know about a MSX version, but if you need italian consultant for Italian stuff (names or places in the game or also for a complete italian translation) just ask.

It could be nice to use another village's name with more importance or a really one.
For example SAVIGNANO SUL RUBICONE who really was medieval and roman village on RUBICONE river. Bologna and Milan instead are metropolitan areas just a little bit far away from the atmosphere of the game.

Just to know, Rubicone is the river where Cesar Augustus decided to raise against roman senatus coming back to Rome. Trespassing the ancient bridge over the Rubicone he said their famous words "alea iacta est" or "the die is cast"

What do you tink about ??

By hbarcellos

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12-04-2014, 22:45

giuseve, *PS* I still haven't got your email. Use my nickname
This online version is better:
I was so addicted that, at a certain point, all records were mine.
Now, someone for sure found an exploit on the game engine. Winning the "Grand Master" in 2 years (2 rounds) it's impossible!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm still on the top 5 on all levels and I still hold the record for more land.

*PS* From which part of Italy you are? Part of my family came from the comune of Varese.
I always thought about creating a new game in ASM from scratch, or, at least translate the Portuguese versions to English. Actually on an updated version that I have, where I created better banking functionalities, the bank is called Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena, which, you know, is the oldest surviving bank in the world! B-)
BUT, I highly doubt it there are no other MSX versions around the world.
Not a single one in Dutch folks????


By giuseve

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13-04-2014, 09:36


i sent you a mail to the gmail account (previously i used, associated to your profile)
Yes, Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena is the oldest surviving bank in the world but i suggest to store your money somewhere else, due to a little economic scandal about the bank Cool
Savignano sul Rubicone during Medieval Period was under MALATESTA Family, on the ather part of appennini mountains.
Siena instead is the wonderful city in Tuscany where the bank you use grow up, but is not on a river.
A good idea anyway. You can think about SAN GIMIGNANO. Take a look: it is on the ELSA River.
So the Game called SANTA PARAVIA & FIUMACCIO could become SAN GIMIGNANO ON THE ELSA and the Bank MPS (Monte dei Paschi di Siena). Sounds good !!!

By Toshinobu Ishida

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23-11-2016, 01:30


Clearing some hbarcellos' mysteries... Big smile

There is a reference to brazilian (portuguese language) version of the Santa Paravia & Fiumaccio called "Bologna & Milano" in the first message of this trend. During 1984, I and my friend analyzed the original TRS-80 Level II BASIC program line by line and translated/adapted/improved (yes, there are several improvements!) the program to Sinclair ZX-81 BASIC. It was published in brazilian Microhobby Monthly Magazine.

Few months later, someone translated it to TK2000 (similar to Apple II+ BASIC but not full compatible) and the magazine republished it.

Anyhow, the name "Bologna & Milano" like DNA proves that MSX version came from our original implementation to ZX-81 because WE CHOSE those italian city names at that time to replace Santa Paravia and Fiumaccio.

I still have the original magazine with me, here.

That's it!
Glad to leave a footprint in this excelent forum.

Best Regards

By enribar

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23-11-2016, 08:46

Italy is planty of historical places an stories, just ask ????
But in my opinion, avoid to use MPS...