I wonder who inform the system configuration and ROMs to openMSX team secretly.

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By Yukio

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26-05-2004, 12:01

I'm the dumper of many of MSX System ROM and I made many of System Configulation for MESS or other Emulator.

Of course, to refer any System Configulations have no problem.

But I found that openMSX team uses System ROM dumped by me.

I'm very displeased that openMSX team uses my dumped MSX System ROM
without my permission.

If these System Roms are dumped by openMSX user or team, I have I'm the dumper of many of MSX System ROM and I made many of System Configulation for MESS or other Emulator.

Of course, to refer any System Configulations have no problem.

But I found that openMSX team uses System ROM dumped by me.

I'm very displeased that openMSX team uses my dumped MSX System ROM
without my permission.

If these System Roms are dumped by openMSX user or team, I have no reason
to do this.

But I checked uploaded System ROMs for openMSX on funet by Binary Editor.
The result is that openMSX team uses System ROMs dumped by me.

I think any MESS team or user inform the system configulation or ROM to openMSX secretly.

So I decided not to give any New dumped MSX System ROM or Cartridge ROM to emulator's author. (Especially MESS / openMSX team)

If openMSX team try to get more my dumped ROM without my permission in the near future, I'll say to funet's master to delete all system Roms I uploaded.

I think openMSX team seems not to make an effort to get System ROMs with yourself.

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By DarQ

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26-05-2004, 12:07

the roms are not your property, even if you dumped them. btw: openMSX officially does not come with any rom except CBIOS. so openmsx does not rely on the roms that were dumped by you.
on top of that, funet is not the only source, there are a few other servers that host any rom you can think of.

anyway, thnx for dumping them anyway Smile

EDIT:
mess seems to ship the roms (that you seem to claim as your property) with the emulator. so if you are having problems with it, you should contact them and not openmsx because openmsx does not ship roms.

By Yukio

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26-05-2004, 12:17

>the roms are not your property, even if you dumped them. btw: openMSX officially does >not come with any rom except CBIOS. so openmsx does not rely on the roms that were >dumped by you.
>on top of that, funet is not the only source, there are a few other servers that host any >rom you can think of.

>anyway, thnx for dumping them anyway

I checked all ROMs checksums and contents.
Of course not all the Roms are from me.
But a few of MSX System Roms are from mines.

HB-F1 / HB-F1XD / HB-F900 / DPC-180 / DPC-200 / CPC-300 (etc..)

If these Roms are not from mine, there is no reason to match the DISK BASIC ROM's checksum.

(DISK BASIC ROM can't be dumped without EPROM Reader.)

What I say to you is that openMSX team seems not to try to get any System Roms by from original machine directly.

They got System Roms with illegally.

So I'll Not give my Dumped Roms to MSX emulator's author to improve MSX emulator anymore.

Also any openMSX team requested System Rom sets to me.
But I refused.

By DarQ

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26-05-2004, 12:19

i meant that NONE of the dumped roms is your property. grab a romchip and read the copyright text on it.
but im curious, why do you think openmsx has something to do with it? did you see roms (that were dumped by you) come with openmsx when you downloaded it?

By snout

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26-05-2004, 12:42

It's just plain simple. Distributing System ROMs from your own MSX computers to other people who don't have those MSX computers is not legal. It doesn't matter if you dumped the ROMs yourself or not. IIRC, MESS previously was distributed without MSX ROMs and the MESS team is quite careful about this. If they are distributing MESS with MSX System ROMs right now, they are doing something illegal. openMSX has never been distributed with System ROMs, apart from the compatible, thus legal, C-BIOS.

By DarQ

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26-05-2004, 12:46

It's just plain simple. Distributing System ROMs from your own MSX computers to other people who don't have those MSX computers is not legal. It doesn't matter if you dumped the ROMs yourself or not. IIRC, MESS previously was distributed without MSX ROMs and the MESS team is quite careful about this. If they are distributing MESS with MSX System ROMs right now, they are doing something illegal. openMSX has never been distributed with System ROMs, apart from the compatible, thus legal, C-BIOS.

at the moment (while browsing funet) i think he meant the openmsx directory that contains roms he dumped. officially openmsx distributes a legal package, but in the meanwhile (i guess the authors are responsible for that) they put the roms he dumped on funet.

By Yukio

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26-05-2004, 12:50

I think a few of MESS developer is distributing System BIOS secretly.
(They seems not to be carefully.)
If Not, why these Roms are uploaded on funet? (on openMSX System ROM folder.)

The ROM filename is changed with openMSX system configulation.

By dhau

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26-05-2004, 12:54

Lol, just ignore this silly troll. A lot of people can dump roms. Very few can code a good emulator. It's just a need for recognition and lack of any merrits type of complex.

By DarQ

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26-05-2004, 12:55

I think a few of MESS developer is distributing System BIOS secretly.
(They seems not to be carefully.)
If Not, why these Roms are uploaded on funet? (on openMSX System ROM folder.)

The ROM filename is changed with openMSX system configulation.

ok, i got your point.
you dont like the fact that you see roms (that were dumped by you) in the openmsx directory on funet isnt it?

but you must have distributed the illegal roms in the first place (gave them to MESS). i see it like this: the thief (whoever put it in the openmsx dir) stole from a thief (you, who dumped the roms illegally).

except for asking funet to remove the directories, there is nothing you can do about it since the roms are not just only on funet, i have them too Smile

By snout

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26-05-2004, 12:56

I wonder... if you dump a ROM, emulation only works when you dumped the ROM correctly. If anyone else somewhere around the world dumps the ROM of the same machine and gets an emulator to run it, the checksums of those ROMs will most likely be completely identical. What I'm wondering is

1) How can you be sure you dumped those system ROMs
2) Assuming you dumped the system ROMs, why don't you mind MESS, a highly inferior emulator, to use the ROMs and do mind openMSX to use them, especially given the fact that distribution of the System ROMs is not legal and dumping the ROMs does not give you any copyrights on them whatsoever.

By dhau

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26-05-2004, 12:57

yeah, he can remove them from ftp.funet.fi, big deal :)

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