I wonder who inform the system configuration and ROMs to openMSX team secretly.

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By MarioFungi

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26-05-2004, 12:58

>I'm very displeased that openMSX team uses my dumped MSX System ROM
>without my permission.
Hmm.... I wonder what Sony/ Casio/ Panasonic and other corporate think of this so called 'permission' of yours.

>They got System Roms with illegally.
Well have you done anything illegal, yourself?

By DarQ

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26-05-2004, 13:00

I wonder... if you dump a ROM, emulation only works when you dumped the ROM correctly. If anyone else somewhere around the world dumps the ROM of the same machine and gets an emulator to run it, the checksums of those ROMs will most likely be completely identical. What I'm wondering is

1) How can you be sure you dumped those system ROMs
2) Assuming you dumped the system ROMs, why don't you mind MESS, a highly inferior emulator, to use the ROMs and do mind openMSX to use them, especially given the fact that distribution of the System ROMs is not legal and dumping the ROMs does not give you any copyrights on them whatsoever.

i dont think the roms must be identical (you probably can change things like MSX BASIC version XX into MSX BLAAT version XX). He can put some kind of signature in it that tells him the roms is dumped by ATARULUM.

By Yukio

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26-05-2004, 13:07

If uploaded Roms are Not identical, I have no reason to say that.
But a few of Roms are identical from mine.
For example, if anyone dump DISK BASIC ROM, the checksum must be variable because of Memory I/O address of FDC.
But the CRC32 of DISK BASIC and contents are just identical from mine.

By DarQ

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26-05-2004, 13:11

If uploaded Roms are Not identical, I have no reason to say that.
But a few of Roms are identical from mine.
For example, if anyone dump DISK BASIC ROM, the checksum must be variable because of Memory I/O address of FDC.
But the CRC32 of DISK BASIC and contents are just identical from mine.

allright, but still the roms are NOT YOURS (identical to original or modified by you) and you are not entitled to grant permission to others so they can use them.

i think its quite a thing that a "thief" (you) claims what he has "stolen" (dumped illegally).

perhaps you still don't understand that you have no rights over _ANY_ MSX system ROM.

By dhau

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26-05-2004, 13:29

Hey DarQ, it's perfectly legal to dump roms from your own computer. It is, however, totally illegal to "share" them with users who don't own original hardware.

By DarQ

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26-05-2004, 13:31

Hey DarQ, it's perfectly legal to dump roms from your own computer. It is, however, totally illegal to "share" them with users who don't own original hardware.

true, but everytime i say that, i actually mean that he distributed them in the first place. if ATARULUM dumps roms, and after a while they appear anywhere on the internet, then he really did something illegal (not that i care about it Wink ).

By pitpan

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26-05-2004, 14:31

A question comes suddenly to my mind:

Sunrise has an agreement with ASCII/Microsoft? If not, why do they include DOS2 ROM in every IDE interface?

By Maggoo

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26-05-2004, 14:49

If uploaded Roms are Not identical, I have no reason to say that.
But a few of Roms are identical from mine.
For example, if anyone dump DISK BASIC ROM, the checksum must be variable because of Memory I/O address of FDC.
But the CRC32 of DISK BASIC and contents are just identical from mine.

Dude, what's with the sand in your Vagina ? (note for later: watching too much southpark Smile
Quit bitching, Anyone can dump Diskrom, Basic rom from a MSX, or any Rom and if those are dump from similar machines, dump images will be the same. That's what ROM are for you know... I'm pretty sure I can use the diskrom of my 8250 and use it on another 8250... same same.

Anyway, what was your point ?

By pitpan

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26-05-2004, 15:02

I do not understand the problem: there are not many ROM variations out there, because different MSX machines belong to the same standard and use the same BIOS. I know that there are different minor changes about hardware configurations and there are some disk BIOS around.

But, as Maggoo pointed, anyone with the same computer could dump EXACTLY the same ROMs. If they are not the same ROMs, this could be due two different problems:

1-You don't dump the ROMs correctly.
2-Even worse: you dump the ROMs and then add to them some trash, like "HEy; I DiD ThIs" somewhere.

If you can help emulator developers, do it. Or aren't you using the product of their efforts when playing those emus?

By BiFi

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26-05-2004, 15:26

A question comes suddenly to my mind:

Sunrise has an agreement with ASCII/Microsoft? If not, why do they include DOS2 ROM in every IDE interface?AFAIK DOS2 was added just for convinience-purposes. I already told Sunrise it wasn't legal to do it this way and proposed a patching system to add the IDE driver part to the DOS2 people dump themselves (or flash just the driver to the ROM). They didn't care about that at that time. I wonder if they do now.

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